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[From    ] Jay Miner                        [MSG 2 OF 2]
[To      ] Jerry Smith                      
[Date    ] Tue  5 Apr 94 13:21
[Subject ] adult

Just got out of the hospital. I will chek your adult are access tomorrow.

                   Jay Miner (Padre) 8^)### 
         Let's use public messages whenever possible!

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[From    ] Courier                          [REC'D] [MSG 1 OF 99]
[To      ] Padre                            [Has Reply 3]
[Date    ] Sat  9 Apr 94 12:23
[Subject ] Re: Padre returns

Welcome, and relax.We are glad you are feeling a lot better. Do not worry
about the BBS, you have had to tough out a lot more than our toughing out BBS
problems.

[From    ] Paul Tibbals                     [REC'D] [MSG 2 OF 99]
[To      ] C-Man                            [Has Reply 6]
[Date    ] Sat  9 Apr 94 23:04
[Subject ] Re: Buffered Serial

According to the Terminus docs the GVP's are a real pain.  I know that my
Combo 040 makes d/l errors whenever the HD is accessed.  I thought I got rid
of that problem   when I dumped my Kronos controller!
 
Supposedy Terminus has an option for 512 byte disk access when it's running,
which is supposed to fix that conflict with the serial port.  I haven't tried
the serial port on the GVP, but as I recall its buffer is 16K and it BETTER
work with their controller!

PaulT

[From    ] Paul Tibbals                     [REC'D] [MSG 3 OF 99]
[To      ] Padre                            [Reply To 1]  [Has Reply 9]
[Date    ] Sat  9 Apr 94 23:08
[Subject ] Re: Padre returns

Welcome.  Hope you got my Xmas card at the hospital (Santa on a Harley).  Best
wishes again!

[From    ] C-Man                            [REC'D] [MSG 4 OF 99]
[To      ] Dyrc                             [Has Reply 12]
[Date    ] Mon 11 Apr 94  1:08
[Subject ] Re: Amiga C++ Classes

In a message dated Fri  8 Apr 94 16:17, Dyrc wrote:

 D> Ya got a demo of what ya got so far? And some source code I could use
 D> as a reference? I've just started, and have almost nothing, less of
 D> the ray-tracer that my buddy started. I need all the help I can get,
 D> if youz got the time, that is. Hee hee hee.

I don't know how complex my classes sound from the last message, but it's no
raytracer!  I know nothing of ray tracing yet, just 3D tranlation and moving
it to 2D.  No bouncing vectors or or stuff like that!  I don't know how to
attach a message here, maybe you can't...here's a little matrix class.  It's
just a test program, it's not really THAT usefull.  You could overload the []
operator to make it look like real arrays, but it gets really weird when you
try doing [][].  You can do it, but it's hacky.  Some people overload the ()
instead.  It doesn't look like C, but it works MUCH nicer.  Right now you can
do Matrix = Matrix1 * Matrix2..and it will multiply those to matricies.  If
you overload (), you can do things like Matrix(3, 3) = 10.  C++ lets you put a
function on the LEFT side, meaning it returns a reference to that location.
--- MatrixLib.h ---
extern float DefVertex[4];
extern float DefMatrix[4][4];
 
class Vertex {
     float     vVertex[4];
     long i, j;
     friend class Matrix;
 
 public:
     Vertex(float Vertex[4] = DefVertex);
     void Show();
};
     
class Matrix {
     float     vMatrix[4][4];
     long i, j, l;
     float     Sum;
 public:
     Matrix(float Matrix[4][4] = DefMatrix);
     Vertex operator*(Vertex Vertex);
     Matrix operator*(Matrix Matrix);
     void Identity();
};
--- MatrixLib.cxx ---
#include &ltstdio.h>
#include "MatrixLib.h"
 
Vertex::Vertex(float Vertex[4])
{
     for(j = 0; j <= 3; j++)
     {
          vVertex[j] = Vertex[j];
     }
}
 
void Vertex::Show()
{
     for(j = 0; j <= 3; j++)
     {
          printf("%f ", vVertex[j]);
     }
 
     printf("\n");
}
 
Matrix::Matrix(float Matrix[4][4])
{
     for(i = 0; i <= 3; i++)
     {
          for(j = 0; j <= 3; j++)
          {
               vMatrix[i][j] = Matrix[i][j];
          }
     }
}
 
Vertex Matrix::operator*(Vertex InVertex)
{
     Vertex    OutVertex;
 
     for(i = 0; i <= 3; i++)
     {
          Sum = 0;
 
          for(j = 0; j <= 3; j++)
          {
               Sum += vMatrix[i][j] * InVertex.vVertex[j];
          }
 
          OutVertex.vVertex[i] = Sum;
     }
 
     return OutVertex;
}
 
Matrix Matrix::operator*(Matrix InMatrix)
{
     Matrix    OutMatrix;
 
     for(i = 0; i <= 3; i++)
     {
          for(j = 0; j <= 3; j++)
          {
               Sum = 0;
 
               for(l = 0; l <= 3; l++)
               {
                    Sum += vMatrix[i][l] * InMatrix.vMatrix[l][j];
               }
 
               OutMatrix.vMatrix[i][j] = Sum;
          }
     }
 
     return OutMatrix;
}
 
void Matrix::Identity()
{
     for(i = 0; i <= 3; i++)
     {
          for(j = 0; j <= 3; j++)
          {
               if(i != j)
                    vMatrix[i][j]  = 0;
               else
                    vMatrix[i][j]  = 1;
          }
     }
}
 
float DefVertex[4] = {
     1,
     1,
     1,
     1
};
 
float DefMatrix[4][4] = {
     1, 0, 0, 0,
     0, 1, 0, 0,
     0, 0, 1, 0,
     0, 0, 0, 1
};
--- Matrix.cxx ---
#include &ltstdio.h>
#include "MatrixLib.h"
 
int main()
{
     Matrix    Matrix;
     Vertex    Vertex;
     
     Vertex = Matrix * Matrix * Vertex;
     Vertex.Show();
 
     return 0;
}
--- END ---


                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] C-Man                            [REC'D] [MSG 5 OF 99]
[To      ] Courier                          [Reply To 3]  [Has Reply 8]
[Date    ] Mon 11 Apr 94  1:22
[Subject ] Re: Dream Machine

In a message dated Sat  9 Apr 94 12:14, Courier wrote:

 C> BTW, if Dave Haynie is right, everything for the A5000 will be coming
 C> out on cards for the 3000/4000 before a separate machine comes out.

That would be very smart, since there are a LOT of people with those machines
and people who just got a 4000 DON'T want to buy ANOTHER machine.  Since they
have ZorroIII, it't just like being on the motherboard anyway (almost).  I
hope to stay in that direction, being modular.


                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] C-Man                            [REC'D] [MSG 6 OF 99]
[To      ] Paul Tibbals                     [Reply To 2]  [Has Reply 23]
[Date    ] Mon 11 Apr 94  1:26
[Subject ] Re: Buffered Serial

In a message dated Sat  9 Apr 94 23:04, Paul Tibbals wrote:

 PT> Supposedy Terminus has an option for 512 byte disk access when it's
 PT> running, which is supposed to fix that conflict with the serial port.
 PT>  I haven't tried the serial port on the GVP, but as I recall its
 PT> buffer is 16K and it BETTER work with their controller!

I guess teh Combo doesn't have a buffered serial port like their serial card? 
I read somewhere(?) that you can't loose data with that card at all.  If its
buffer fills up, it pauses the connection instead of dropping characters.  I
want it.  Plus, 16k is a lot of buffer...that's about 10 seconds of 1600 cps
data!  I don't think my hard drive could use continuous DMA that long. #B^)



                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Dyrc                             [REC'D] [MSG 7 OF 99]
[To      ] C-Man                            
[Date    ] Mon 11 Apr 94  3:34
[Subject ] Re: Amiga C++ Classes

Danke!! Gonna give that play. Letcha know what turns out. 

[From    ] Coz                              [REC'D] [MSG 8 OF 99]
[To      ] C-Man                            [Reply To 5]  [Has Reply 10]
[Date    ] Mon 11 Apr 94 22:17
[Subject ] Re: Dream Machine

     I was glad to hear the A4000s have replaceable cpu cards as it allows a
significant upgrade without getting a new machine. In fact I can replace my
030 cpu card with an 040 card right now. Have to check on the price.
          Coz

[From    ] Dr Chip                          [REC'D] [MSG 9 OF 99]
[To      ] Padre                            [Reply To 3]  [Has Reply 13]
[Date    ] Tue 12 Apr 94 22:49
[Subject ] Re: Padre returns

Welcome back! 

[From    ] C-Man                            [REC'D] [MSG 10 OF 99]
[To      ] Coz                              [Reply To 8]  [Has Reply 11]
[Date    ] Wed 13 Apr 94 13:45
[Subject ] Re: Dream Machine

In a message dated Mon 11 Apr 94 22:17, Coz wrote:

 C>      I was glad to hear the A4000s have replaceable cpu cards as it
 C> allows a significant upgrade without getting a new machine. In fact I
 C> can replace my 030 cpu card with an 040 card right now. Have to check
 C> on the price.
 C>           Coz

Only think is, you could probably sell an A4000 '040 card to upgrade to
something else, but it's probably hard to sell the '030 board.  I don't think
a 2000 can take it, but the first on that can is a 3000 that has an '030! 
What a catch 22.


                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Dyrc                             [REC'D] [MSG 11 OF 99]
[To      ] C-Man                            [Reply To 10]  [Has Reply 15]
[Date    ] Wed 13 Apr 94 20:56
[Subject ] Re: Dream Machine

It has to be a 3000T, not ANY 3000, and if there is ANYONE out there with an
A3kT for sale, or that you have been thinking about selling, CALL ME AT
415-325-8863!!! Ask for Dirk. Yar!! Don't even need any ram, OR a CPU module!!

[From    ] Joe                              [REC'D] [MSG 12 OF 99]
[To      ] Padre                            [Reply To 4]  [Has Reply 14]
[Date    ] Thu 14 Apr 94 14:45
[Subject ] Re: Hello Jay!

In a message dated Fri  8 Apr 94 20:15, Padre wrote:

 P> Joe Please spell it Miner. I get a lot of people mispelling my name
 P> Minor. Please dont add to the confusion. Use Miner, the pun will still
 P> be detected I think. Might even be better.   Thanks for your message

Okay, Miner it is.  :-)

   -Joe

[From    ] Maverick                         [REC'D] [MSG 13 OF 99]
[To      ] Padre                            [Reply To 9]  
[Date    ] Fri 15 Apr 94  1:16
[Subject ] Re: Padre returns

Thanks for coming back!  I really enjoy this BBS and all the effort you put
into it...
]
Now, if I could get them to take half my ass off, I'd look great@!HEH!
Get well and prosper. My prayers are with you!

MAVERICK....

[From    ] Maverick                         [REC'D] [MSG 14 OF 99]
[To      ] C-Man                            [Reply To 12]  [Has Reply 18]
[Date    ] Fri 15 Apr 94  1:18
[Subject ] Re: Delete some files

I am sure when i say we trust your judgement!  There is nothing that
oimportant on here over the health of Jay.

MAVERICK....

[From    ] Courier                          [REC'D] [MSG 15 OF 99]
[To      ] C-Man                            [Reply To 11]  [Has Reply 16]
[Date    ] Sun 17 Apr 94 10:58
[Subject ] Re: Dream Machine

He has said that modularity was the wave fo the future. The reason for the
initial release was money.  That is, get AAA out while they could still do so,
particularly since AAA could make a big difference inthe future of the
machine.  With AAA the Amiga could become the cost effective leader in
graphics, not just video . . . . hope, hope :)

[From    ] Courier                          [REC'D] [MSG 16 OF 99]
[To      ] Coz                              [Reply To 15]  [Has Reply 17]
[Date    ] Sun 17 Apr 94 11:10
[Subject ] Re: Dream Machine

What is nice, and a lot of people forgot, is that most of the CPU cards will
also work in a 3000 :)

[From    ] Dyrc                             [REC'D] [MSG 17 OF 99]
[To      ] Courier                          [Reply To 16]  [Has Reply 20]
[Date    ] Sun 17 Apr 94 12:19
[Subject ] Re: Dream Machine

NOT the A3000. The A3000T. That 'T' is VERY important. Only the Tower models
use the same processor modules as the A4000 class. THAT is why I am looking
for an A3000T. The A3000 is a nice machine, but is even nicer when out of it's
flatbed design. The A0000 flatbed has problems, most important of which is
heat. Putting an '040 or other 'hot' chip in an A3000 leads to MBS (Magic Blue
Smoke) if you aren't carefull. The A3000T doesn't have that problem. I
personaly think that they should bring the A3kT back to production to appease
all of those A2k owners who are sick of 16-bit archetecture. In my mind, the
A3kT is the best Amiga yet made, scince it is as modular as the A4000, is a
little cheaper, has the ZorroIII slots (and an abundance of them at that!) and
is generaly an all-around clean machine.

[From    ] C-Man                            [REC'D] [MSG 18 OF 99]
[To      ] Maverick                         [Reply To 14]  
[Date    ] Sun 17 Apr 94 15:47
[Subject ] Re: Delete some files

In a message dated Fri 15 Apr 94  1:18, Maverick wrote:

 M> I am sure when i say we trust your judgement!  There is nothing that
 M> oimportant on here over the health of Jay.

 M> MAVERICK....

Ok then, it's time to pull out my 'rm -r' gun and kill some files.


                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] C-Man                            [MSG 19 OF 99]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Mon 25 Apr 94 14:59
[Subject ] AmigaWorld

   I haven't received my next edition of AmigaWorld yet.  I read it in the
store and noticed "Hey, I don't have this one".  Anybody else get shafted?  I
guess I'll call and see what's going on.


                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Courier                          [REC'D] [MSG 20 OF 99]
[To      ] Dyrc                             [Reply To 17]  [Has Reply 21]
[Date    ] Sat 30 Apr 94 19:41
[Subject ] Re: Dream Machine

Of course, now you know that the Amiga is history :(

A moment of silence while we lower the flage to half-mast and play taps.

[From    ] Joe                              [REC'D] [MSG 21 OF 99]
[To      ] Courier                          [Reply To 20]  [Has Reply 22]
[Date    ] Sat 30 Apr 94 21:16
[Subject ] Re: Dream Machine

In a message dated Sat 30 Apr 94 19:41, Courier wrote:

 C> Of course, now you know that the Amiga is history :(
                                           ^^
                                          made

[From    ] Paul Tibbals                     [REC'D] [MSG 22 OF 99]
[To      ] Dyrc                             [Reply To 21]  [Has Reply 24]
[Date    ] Sat 30 Apr 94 22:33
[Subject ] re: 3000/MBS

I dunno about 3000 cards, but my 2000 '040 has its own little chip fan (inside
its RF cage!).  So no MBS here.  One would think that if 040 were a problem in
side a 3000, that a similar solution would be possible.  The 2000's space for
the CPU is none too generous, at least this GVP cage is almost up against the
df1: case.
 
PT

[From    ] Paul Tibbals                     [REC'D] [MSG 23 OF 99]
[To      ] C-Man                            [Reply To 6]  [Has Reply 29]
[Date    ] Sat 30 Apr 94 22:36
[Subject ] Re: Buffered Serial

I am not at all an expert in this area.  But if the serial port is buffered
and has the intelligence to maintain its connection even when the CPU is
ignoring it, then you're right, that should be good enough.  However, the
Terminus feature is for those using the Amiga's port, so that the loss of CPU
attention is kept to a reasonable level.  And I DO get Zmodem errors when
accessing the hard drive this latter way.  A glaring problem with the GVP
design.


[From    ] Coz                              [REC'D] [MSG 24 OF 99]
[To      ] Courier                          [Reply To 22]  [Has Reply 25]
[Date    ] Sat 30 Apr 94 23:48
[Subject ] Re: Dream Machine

     The Amiga may not be dead. Keep in mind that the technology could be
snapped up since it is no longer under a dark cloud of debt. This -may- be a
GOOD thing.
          Coz

[From    ] Dyrc                             [REC'D] [MSG 25 OF 99]
[To      ] Courier                          [Reply To 24]  [Has Reply 28]
[Date    ] Sun  1 May 94  3:26
[Subject ] Re: Dream Machine

     My statement of the 'dream machine' stands. The Amiga is still here, and
is STILL on the cutting edge of technologie. If you go out right now, get an
'040 accellerator, Emplant card, and 486 BridgeBoard, you've still got the
best machine around, and get this! You have the support. Not for the Amiga
side, but then, who supports the Amiga? THE USERS!! Allways have, and until
this machine can only be used as a doorstop (not for a LONG TIME), allways
will. Don't go around saying something is dead just because it fainted, or is
having heart failure. Just have to find the right donor to get it back on it's
feet. Hey, most heart transplants see an end to most heart problems. We've got
the machine, and if you would be kind enough to help the machine LIVE, and not
watch it die, then there is NO NEED to go droping your flags. Remember, the
Amiga has been on the cutting edge for over 10 years, and is at current in an
emotional trafic jam. Call NewTek, call any hardware production companies.
Call them all. Let's not sit by and watch a friend for years, and the
soul-child of our esteemed friend, Jay (Padre) Miner, go out. This machine is
the embodyment of what a computer should be, and with a push from you, the
industry can realize this yet again.
     
     Commodore is dead, long live the Amiga!!!!

     (Welcome Tomorrow, There Are More Days To Come)

     Dirk James Gerhard Rokicki

[From    ] Cyber Corsair                    [MSG 26 OF 99]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 27]
[Date    ] Sun  1 May 94 15:00
[Subject ] Where now

I wanted to ask Jay and all of you out here what do think will
really happen now to the Amiga. with C= gone or dieing the slow
death of chapter 7 Who do think will buy up the Amiga or
will it get cut up and buried under a rock from now on.

I 'm on the InterNet and the talk out there isn't all that good
but we'er all living with the ass holes that are saing we told you
so. We had a lot of request for the History of the Amiga and words
from the people that made this great Machine.
I for one glad that C= is gone it was it had turn into some hartless
company that did nothing for the Amiga in the last years and I feel 
that the peole that ran C= most likly have grabed up the $$ and ran
But we'll really never know for sure just who killed C=.

Well it's 3:20 p.m. PMT and my A500 is still working and most
likly will be 20 years from now.

LONG LIVE THE AMIGA!! Thanks Jay for making and dream of mine come true..

I new long ago that a computer like the Amiga was coming and that Art,Sound
and Animation with a computers would be the future on Movies and T.v.
SFX and productions. I saw that a computer that anyone could use and
would be in many homes and be part of the every day use too ,But that
Amiga was cut short by C= for it to show it could do this.

Well I'm done sorry for the type-Os and bad gramer I'm just a artist not
an english major.


George Greene.

                  Club A.N.I.M.E. CSU Stanislaus
A.N.I.M.E.stands for : Artistic,Neopolitical,Imaginative,Media,Exchange.
 
Club President: George Greene        snailmail: 6397 Walnut Ave.
Vice-President: Celeste Collins                 Winton CA, 95388
                                            Atten: Club A.N.I.M.E
Finger us for our show list --------&gtFinger only:ggreene@csustan.edu
                                      E-mail: ggreene@koko.csustan.edu
                                              ccollins@koko.csustan.edu
Affiliate Anime Club: Central Anime Wichta KS Fan subber,JaCosub
 
BTW: The Amiga is very big in the among us Anime people it is the #1 computer
used by Anime Fans to subtiling animation.


[From    ] Dyrc                             [REC'D] [MSG 27 OF 99]
[To      ] Cyber Corsair                    [Reply To 26]  [Has Reply 30]
[Date    ] Sun  1 May 94 22:23
[Subject ] Re: Where now

Okay, here are some of the rumors. These are just a few, but the fourth on the
list is most likely what will happen, in my opinion.

     1) Sony will buy rights to the chipset and release a machine using the
          same technologies, but with a different OS 
          (Unlikely)

     2) Phillips will buy rights to the chipset and OS and continue with an
          AGA/CD based game system, and incorperate it into the CD-I 
          (A little more likely)
     
     3) HP will purchase full rights the Amiga line, and continue with the
          machine from where it stands, including the OS, shelved technologies
(AA+, AAA, new floppy drivers, whatnot), and currently released 
          systems. 
          (A bit more likely than the last two)

     4) NewTek will gain rights to the OS and chipsets and use them to 
          continue the Toaster, without having to redesign it completely.
          (More likely than the others)

     5) The Amiga will loose support from C=, no one will purchase the chipset
          or OS, and the Amiga will stay as it stands for a few months, then
          begin to drift the way of the C=64 and TI.
          (About as likely as HT continuing production)

     These are what appears to be happening. 

     Commodore is dead, long live the Amiga.

     Dirk James Gerhard Rokicki


[From    ] C-Man                            [REC'D] [MSG 28 OF 99]
[To      ] Courier                          [Reply To 25]  [Has Reply 34]
[Date    ] Mon  2 May 94 16:00
[Subject ] Re: Dream Machine

In a message dated Sat 30 Apr 94 19:41, Courier wrote:

 C> Of course, now you know that the Amiga is history :(

 C> A moment of silence while we lower the flage to half-mast and play
 C> taps.

As an Amiga MOD of course.


                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] C-Man                            [REC'D] [MSG 29 OF 99]
[To      ] Paul Tibbals                     [Reply To 23]  
[Date    ] Mon  2 May 94 16:01
[Subject ] Re: Buffered Serial

Terminus can read and write directly to the serial port?  If so, I'll have to
give it another try.  Or program my own...All I want in a terminal is fast
serial and xpr support!


                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Maverick                         [REC'D] [MSG 30 OF 99]
[To      ] Dyrc                             [Reply To 27]  [Has Reply 40]
[Date    ] Mon  2 May 94 20:37
[Subject ] Re: Where now

Good analysis!  Let us all pray!

MAVERICK....

[From    ] Shadow Runner                    [MSG 31 OF 99]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Tue  3 May 94 18:23
[Subject ] FDPro2 and Thrustmaster

OK, I've got myself a Thrustmaster FCS Joystick that I use on my clone at
"work".  I recently saw Fighter Duel Pro 2 supports it directly.  However, I'm
not quite sure if it's possibe.  I figured an analog adaptor would be
necessary, but the only one I've seen (from DigiPrint Inc) says the
Thrustmaster is wired differently then "normal" IBM analog joysticks, and is
therefore incompatible with the analog interface.  So what is needed?  Is
there a special Thrustmaster interface?  If anyone has a phone number, or
better yet a FAX number for Jeager Software, I'll give em a call and find out!
If FDPro2 is truly usable with the Thrustmaster, then I wanna buy it.  If not,
then I can wait...

[From    ] Dragon                           [MSG 32 OF 99]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 33]
[Date    ] Thu  5 May 94  1:30
[Subject ] *** SAVE THE AMIGA ***

For those of you that don't know.  Many of us Amiga users are making
a strong drive to push the Amiga back into the market.  Several 3rd
party companies such as Utilities Unlimited and GVP are banding in
an attempt to purchase the rights to the Amiga chipset and software.
Even if this fails, companies have to be urged to continue the
development of and for the Amiga line of computer.  What we as users
can do is to write letters to the various hardware and software
developers urging them to support the Amiga despite Commodore's
downfall.  Let it be known that we want the Amiga supported, not
Commodore.
.
I am personally compiling a petition of all Amiga users in the world
which I will be sending with my letters to various developers.
If you would like (PLEASE) to be included in this petition/mailing list,
email me with the subject "mail list" and include your
full name and full POSTAL address.  To further encourage the
development of/for the Amiga, PLEASE, write some letters.  You'd be
amazed at how effective letters are in making companys' decisions
.
For a listing of addresses of developers to write to, email either me
or KDH2074@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU (Kevin).  We will soon have a list of
non-Amiga developers that we can all write to to encourage ports of
their current software.
.
For those of you that wish to write but don't want to leave your Amiga
alone for a second, email me your letter in business letter format and
I will print it out myself on an HP Laserjet and mail it myself.  I'll
even pay postage.  Please be sure to clearly state in your letter the
company that you are writing the letter to, and your complete postal
return address so that I can put that on the envelope too.  I don't think
it would look good to have tons of letters sent to one company with
only my return address.  Please support the Amiga as she's still very
alive and well.  Especially with Commodore out of the way.
.
Remember:
1) email me your name and postal address for the mailing list
2) write some letters
3) buy amiga products
.
Thank you all that have already emailed me for the mailing list
Amiga Forever
.
Paul V Puey             /\  _____  _  _____  _____ 4000/040
Electrical Engineering /__\(_ _ _\( \(  ___)(  __ \ Now THIS
and Computer Science  / __ \\ \ \ \\ \\ \__ \\  __ \ is Power!
at UC Berkeley USA   (_/  \_)\_\_\_)\_)\_____)\_\ \_)
.
pvpuey@cory.EECS.berkeley.EDU   pvpuey@shell.portal.com
For those of you that wish to, you may call me at 415-588-4114.  If
I'm not home, leave a message with your name and address and I'll include
you in the petition.

[From    ] Dyrc                             [REC'D] [MSG 33 OF 99]
[To      ] Dragon                           [Reply To 32]  [Has Reply 35]
[Date    ] Thu  5 May 94  2:49
[Subject ] Re: *** SAVE THE AMIGA ***

     Paul, you will be recieving my adress in a separate message, and I would
like to compliment you on your posting. It's nice to have you in our corner.

     MAESA
      (Me Amiga Est Su Amiga)

     Commodore is dead, Long Live The Amiga

     Dirk James Gerhard Rokicki


[From    ] Courier                          [REC'D] [MSG 34 OF 99]
[To      ] Dyrc                             [Reply To 28]  [Has Reply 73]
[Date    ] Thu  5 May 94 20:20
[Subject ] Re: Dream Machine

Remember, there use to be '040 cards for the 3000, until the 4000 came on the
scene.  How did they deal with the heat??  And the CPU slot is "supposed" to
be the same, Commodore claimed this when the 4000 came out and everone is
claiming it now.... so I dunno..  Also, why isn't the 3000T specified rather
than just 3000 when compatibility is mentioned??

[From    ] Joe                              [REC'D] [MSG 35 OF 99]
[To      ] Dragon                           [Reply To 33]  [Has Reply 36]
[Date    ] Thu  5 May 94 23:58
[Subject ] Re: *** SAVE THE AMIGA ***

In a message dated Thu  5 May 94  1:30, Dragon wrote:

 D> For a listing of addresses of developers to write to, email either me
 D> or KDH2074@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU (Kevin).  We will soon have a list of
 D> non-Amiga developers that we can all write to to encourage ports of
 D> their current software.

Please either upload the list to this BBS (and I'll pass it on to more Amiga
systems), or place it on Fidonet's ADS/SAN file distribution networks.  I'll
write, but I'm not sure who to write to, and the companies that I'd pick I
would want other Amoiga users to write to also since any single company
wouldn't consider a letter from just one Amiga user.

 D> Remember:
 D> 1) email me your name and postal address for the mailing list

I don't have an internet account, and I'm not up on routing it through from
Fidonet to end up at an internet account.  Do you have a Fidonet address?

 D> 2) write some letters
 D> 3) buy amiga products

 D> pvpuey@cory.EECS.berkeley.EDU   pvpuey@shell.portal.com
 D> For those of you that wish to, you may call me at 415-588-4114.  If
 D> I'm not home, leave a message with your name and address and I'll
 D> include you in the petition.

Okay, I'll call.  Thanks for organizing this, Paul!

   -Joe

[From    ] Dragon                           [REC'D] [MSG 36 OF 99]
[To      ] Joe                              [Reply To 35]  [Has Reply 37]
[Date    ] Fri  6 May 94  1:44
[Subject ] Re: *** SAVE THE AMIGA ***

You can post me email here at The Mission with you're name and address and
I'll put you up on the petition.  If you can contact anyone else that wishes
to be on the list, just email me their name
and postal address.  I'll be dropping by the BBS every so often, so I'll be
picking up any 
email sent to me.  Here's a list of Amiga developers that we can all write to:

------------------------- snip --------------------------

     Recently, I posted a message stating that we must 
support Jim Drew of Utilities Unilimted, Inc., as he joins
 with GVP and others to buy the Amiga technology and save 
our computers.
     The response on my proposal to show our support of the 
Amiga has been overwhelming; I appreciate the many replies, and
am glad to see so many of you feel the same way I do.  WE are
the only ones who have the power to see the Amiga through this
difficult period.  We must act now.
     The following is the promised list of developers
who carry/use Amiga products.  I'm sure I have missed many,
especially European and Canadian developers, but please feel
free to add on to this list.  I've done my part; now its time 
to do yours. Your letters can save our precious machine.  Please 
express your support for the Amiga, your willingness to continue 
purchasing Amigas and third party products, and encourage them 
to join with Utilities Unlimited, Inc. in founding a public 
Amiga Corporation if the need arises.
Thank you.

     -Kevin
     
     
     kdh2074@zeus.tamu.edu

     
     * The first 12 companies are have made major
     * contributions to the Amiga community. It is 
     * essential that they be reassured of 
     * continued customer support. 

     NewTek, Inc.
     1200 Executive Drive
     Topeka, KS 66615 
     U.S.A

     Great Valley Products, Inc.
     657 Clark Avenue 
     King of Prussia, PA 19460 
     U.S.A

     Digital Creations
     160 Blue Ravine Rd.,
          Suite B
     Folsom, CA 95763-0097
     U.S.A
     
     DKB
     50240 W. Pontiac Trail
     Wixom, Michigan 48393
     U.S.A.

     Centaur Development
     P.O. Box 3959
     Torrence, CA 90510
     U.S.A.

     SCALA
     12110 Sunset Hills Rd.,
          Suite 100
     Reston, VA 22090
     U.S.A.

     Alfa Data
     P.O. Box 6990
     Champaign, IL 61821
     U.S.A

     MacroSystemUS
     24282 Lynwood,
          Suite 101
     Novi, MI 48374
     U.S.A.    

     Supra Corp.
     7101 Supra Drive SW
     Albany, OR 97321
     U.S.A.    

     ASDG
     925 Stewart St.
     Madison, WI 53713
     U.S.A.    

     Expansion Systems
     4482 Osgood Rd.
     Fremont, CA
     ?
     U.S.A.    

     ParaVision     
     1251 American Pkwy.
     Richardson, TX 75081
     U.S.A.


     * The remaining developers are no less 
     * important then the first six. We must
     * also arose their interests in the
     * Amiga market.     


     AmyGames
     P.O. Box 485
     Zionsville, IN 46077
     U.S.A.

     ATTO Technology
     40 Hazelwood Dr., #106
     Amherst, NY 14228
     U.S.A.
     
     Better Concepts               
     10 Madison Terrace
     New City, NY 10956
     U.S.A

     Black Belt Systems
     398 Johnson Rd.
     Glasgow, MT 59230
     U.S.A.

     Bloodhouse USA
     303 Holiday Drive
     Tuscola, IL 61953
     U.S.A.

     The Blue Ribbon Soundworks
     1605 Chantilly Drive,
          Suite 200
     Atlanta, GA 30324
     U.S.A

     Caligari Corporation
     1955 Landings Drive
     Mountain View, CA 94043
     U.S.A.

     CeV Design 
     11 Spring St.
     Reading, MA 01867
     U.S.A

     Computer Video Solutions
     14B S. 7th St.
     Akron, PA 17501
     U.S.A
           
     CompuVid
     5455 SW 8th St.,
          Suite 250
     Miami, FL 33134
     U.S.A.

     Copperhead Technologies
     104 Jay St.
     Schenectady, NY 12305
     U.S.A.

     Cygnus Software
     33 University Square #199
     Madison, WI 53715
     U.S.A.

     DevWare
     12528 Kirkham Court,
          Suite 11-A17
     Poway, CA 92064
     U.S.A.

     DigiPrint
     P.O. Box 13016
     Richmond, VA 23235
     U.S.A

     Digital Processing Systems
     11 Spiral Drive
     Florence, KY 41042
     U.S.A.

     Electronic Arts
     1450 Fashion Island Blvd.
     San Mateo, CA 94404
     U.S.A.

     EID
     921 W. Main St.,
          Suite 13
     Nashville, TN 37075
     U.S.A
     
     Elite MicroComputers
     138 Turner St.
     Port Reading, NJ 07064
     U.S.A.

     Expert Services
     7559 Mall Road
     Florence, KY 41042
     U.S.A.

     Flair Software
     Meadowfield House
     Ponteland,
     Newcastle NE20 9SD
     England

     ICE
     Bridge House 
     Merrywalks
     Stroud
     Glostershire GL5 1QA
     England

     INOVAtronics
     8499 Ave.,
          Suite 209B
     Dallas, TX 75231
     U.S.A.

     Luna Tech
     3667 Lalani Way
     Sarasota, FL 34232
     U.S.A.

     Micro R&D
     137 N. 7th
     loup City, NE 68853
     U.S.A.

     MicroProse
     1 Hampton Road
          Industrial Estate
     Tetbury
     Glostershire GL8 8LD
     England
     
     MicroTouch
     300 Griffen Park
     Methuen, MA 01844
     U.S.A.

     MindScape
     Priority House
     Charles Ave.
     Maltings Park
     Burgess Hill
     West Sussex RH15 9PQ
     England

     NetWork Technologies
     1275 Danner Dr.
     Aurora, OH 44202
     U.S.A.

     New Horizens Software
     206 Wild Basin Rd.,
          Suite 109
     Austin, TX 78746
     U.S.A.

     Oregon Research
     16200 SW Pacific Hwy.,
          Suite 162
     Tigard, OR 97224
     U.S.A.

     Overland Engineering
     5370 San Mateo N.E.,
     #E73
     Albuquerque, NM 78109
     U.S.A.

     Oxxi
     P.O. Box 90309
     Long Beach, CA 90809
     U.S.A.

     Pre'Spect Tchnics
     B 53, Rte. Lotbinierre
     Dorian
     Quebec J7V 2K0
     Canada

     PreVue Technologies
     P.O. Box 2617
     Grass Valley, CA 95945
     U.S.A.

     Psygnosis
     675 Massachusetts Ave.,
     Cambridge, MA 02139
     U.S.A.

     SAS Institute
     SAS Campus Drive
     Cary, SC 27513
     U.S.A.

     SunRize Industries
     2959 S. Winchester Blvd.,
     Suite 204
     Cambell, CA 95008
     U.S.A.

     Team 17
     Marwood House,
          Garden Street
     Wakefield
     West Yorkshire WF1 1DX
     England

     Virgin UK
     338A Ladbroke Grove
     London W10 5AH
     England
     
               
     
     
PLEASE MAIL LETTERS TO SAVE OUR COMPUTER!!!!!!

[From    ] Maverick                         [REC'D] [MSG 37 OF 99]
[To      ] Dragon                           [Reply To 36]  
[Date    ] Fri  6 May 94 21:38
[Subject ] Re: *** SAVE THE AMIGA ***

Ok, sign me up:

Kerry Hales
1677 N. 275 W.
Layton, UT 84041 USA
801 776-0675

MAVERICK....

[From    ] Cyber Corsair                    [MSG 38 OF 99]
[To      ] Padre                            
[Date    ] Fri  6 May 94 22:50
[Subject ] Passing out a messagesMZ+u'Z;!PC-}"L'$B`n[;OP'F6CTzlK=+i9F>/M@Yr&bJ{

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S!c*!n, 2 May 1994 10:34:42 -0700:MK!1flF~&3+O5[1/Xh+[9A
*B9
&lt_&bGMjoe solinsky &ltjcsky@ucrengr.UCR.EDU>
To: ggreene@koko.csustan.edu (George Greene)

 
Hi My name is Joe Solinsky I new Jay Miner some time back but He might
remember me. Please tell him I said Helloa0S&gtu\yY^!rKgf|Powb_o3~[ytmj/{|{%p-SY
e wanted to work for the company I am employed by (Ball Systems
Engineering).  I felt rather foolish, but I figured there was no harm in
asking (over email).  Also, if you want to, tell him that Amigas are likely
the most popular computer base for Virtual Reality.  I have clips of
newspapers, magazines, and conversations that list a good handful of
companies which use the Amiga (VGL, Virtuality, to name two).
The end of Commodore made me sad.  I hope it is not the end of the Amiga.
I won't be much of a person without mine.
-Joe SOlinsky
UC Riverside
Ball Systems, San Diego
 
 

 
 

[From    ] Cyber Corsair                    [MSG 39 OF 99]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Fri  6 May 94 23:05
[Subject ] last message

Sorry all I got some line noise on that last one.

Geo.

[From    ] Glarf, King Of The Zorgons       [REC'D] [MSG 40 OF 99]
[To      ] Dyrc                             [Reply To 30]  
[Date    ] Sat  7 May 94  9:00
[Subject ] Re: Where now

You left out the rumor that Sanyo is interested in buying.  Also, it may be
that somebody will buy it and just want to make CD-32s, but sell NewTek the
right to make A4000s for toasters.  NewTek could contract with whatever
factory C= used, maybe getting the AGA chips from whoever buys the CD32.  If
something like that happens, nobody will have any incentive to upgrade the OS.

If nobody gets to make any new A4000s for toasters, then used 4000s could go
for like-new prices while people still want toasters.

[From    ] C-Man                            [MSG 41 OF 99]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 42]
[Date    ] Wed 11 May 94 13:10
[Subject ] Proud owner of A1000

I am now the proud owner of an Amiga 1000!  #B^)  If you can run 1.2, press
both shifts and both alts, and f1, f2, ... and you'll se some secret messages.
Jay is in f8.  By the way, this is the quietest fan I've ever heard!



                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Coz                              [REC'D] [MSG 42 OF 99]
[To      ] C-Man                            [Reply To 41]  [Has Reply 46]
[Date    ] Thu 12 May 94 23:41
[Subject ] Re: Proud owner of A1000

     Congrats! I still have my A1000 which I bought in Sept '85 and it still
functions though it's in retirement. I also have a 2000, a 4000/030, and my
wife owns a 1200.
     If you are into Amiga history, pop off the top cover and look at the
inside of the cover. Now THAT'S history! 8^)
          Coz

[From    ] Padre                            [MSG 43 OF 99]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 44]
[Date    ] Sun 15 May 94  1:53
[Subject ] BACK TO THE HOSPITAL

Your Sysop (me) is about to dissapear again, this time tho for only 7 days or
so.  I am having an operation to finish off the previous work that was done.

Nothing real seriious, but it will make me feel much better when it is done.
What they are doing is restoring my small intestines and reattaching it to my
large ingestine, instead of having it come out my side with a bag to catch the
waste.(like it is now)

They put it this way (temporarly) to prevnt infection when they were doing the
serious surgery around my buttocks. Now I will be able to deficate normally,
assuming all goes well.

So if you are a newmember it may take a while to get you validated. Sorry
about that. Call back in a week or so though. In the meantime learn to use the
BBS system and read the messages.


[From    ] Maverick                         [REC'D] [MSG 44 OF 99]
[To      ] Padre                            [Reply To 43]  [Has Reply 45]
[Date    ] Sun 15 May 94 12:11
[Subject ] Re: BACK TO THE HOSPITAL

      have seen some reinastimosis done before (when I was an OR tech) and
they do work a lot of the time.  Any surgery is dangerous, but this is
probably better for you than carrying that C-bag.  Again we unite in prayer
and meditation for your speedy recovery.

MAVERICK....

[From    ] Courier                          [REC'D] [MSG 45 OF 99]
[To      ] Padre                            [Reply To 44]  [Has Reply 48]
[Date    ] Sun 15 May 94 13:52
[Subject ] Re: BACK TO THE HOSPITAL

Good Luck......

[From    ] C-Man                            [REC'D] [MSG 46 OF 99]
[To      ] Coz                              [Reply To 42]  [Has Reply 49]
[Date    ] Sun 15 May 94 13:57
[Subject ] Re: Proud owner of A1000

In a message dated Thu 12 May 94 23:41, Coz wrote:

 C>      If you are into Amiga history, pop off the top cover and look at
 C> the inside of the cover. Now THAT'S history! 8^)

Did it.  Cleaned it too.


                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Adam Chapman                     [MSG 47 OF 99]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 53]
[Date    ] Sun 15 May 94 15:05
[Subject ] Fido stuff

Hiya everyone...

Anyone over here in America have a Fido address and want to chat to someone in
England via Netmail?

GImmie a shout if ya do and leaveya number for me... (This means you to Jay!
&ltg>)

Catch you about!
Adam Chapman.

[From    ] Coz                              [REC'D] [MSG 48 OF 99]
[To      ] Padre                            [Reply To 45]  [Has Reply 50]
[Date    ] Sun 15 May 94 16:11
[Subject ] Re: BACK TO THE HOSPITAL

     As always, Jay, you have your whole legion of admirers pulling for ya.
          Coz

[From    ] Coz                              [REC'D] [MSG 49 OF 99]
[To      ] C-Man                            [Reply To 46]  [Has Reply 54]
[Date    ] Sun 15 May 94 16:12
[Subject ] Re: Proud owner of A1000

     Did ya notice Jay's pup Mitchie's paw print? 8^)
          Coz

[From    ] Bob Dyer                         [REC'D] [MSG 50 OF 99]
[To      ] Padre                            [Reply To 48]  [Has Reply 51]
[Date    ] Sun 15 May 94 17:12
[Subject ] Re: BACK TO THE HOSPITAL

Good Luck, Jay & God Bless.   All the best from this side of the BBS.  May you
be back to normal soon.

                                     Thanks for the Amiga

                                               Bob Dyer

[From    ] Joe                              [MSG 51 OF 99]
[To      ] Padre                            [Reply To 50]  [Has Reply 52]
[Date    ] Mon 16 May 94  2:30
[Subject ] Re: BACK TO THE HOSPITAL

In a message dated Sun 15 May 94  1:53, Padre wrote:

 P> Your Sysop (me) is about to dissapear again, this time tho for only 7
 P> days or so.  I am having an operation to finish off the previous work
 P> that was done.

Not very pretty news, but if it helps bring back your health, Jay, it is at
least a good thing.

Get well soon, Padre.

   -Joe


[From    ] Glarf, King Of The Zorgons       [MSG 52 OF 99]
[To      ] Padre                            [Reply To 51]  
[Date    ] Mon 16 May 94  6:56
[Subject ] Re: BACK TO THE HOSPITAL

> Your Sysop (me) is about to dissapear again, this time tho for only 7 days
or
> so.  I am having an operation to finish off the previous work that was done.
 
Get well with rapidity!

[From    ] C-Man                            [MSG 53 OF 99]
[To      ] Adam Chapman                     [Reply To 47]  [Has Reply 57]
[Date    ] Mon 16 May 94 17:07
[Subject ] Re: Fido stuff

Not Fido, but internet...cman@netcom.com

I think there are some gates to FidoNet somewhere.


                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] C-Man                            [REC'D] [MSG 54 OF 99]
[To      ] Coz                              [Reply To 49]  
[Date    ] Mon 16 May 94 17:10
[Subject ] Re: Proud owner of A1000

In a message dated Sun 15 May 94 16:12, Coz wrote:

 C>      Did ya notice Jay's pup Mitchie's paw print? 8^)
 C>           Coz

Yea...and I took off the metal plate (much of the cost looks like it comes
from the screws, there's hundreds!) to clean it, but it was already clean! 
That metal plate really kept the dust out.  Now if I can just find the
Workbench disk I can boot it up again...



                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] C-Man                            [REC'D] [MSG 55 OF 99]
[To      ] Eugene Doctor                    [Has Reply 59]
[Date    ] Tue 24 May 94 19:31
[Subject ] Files!

   Eugene, do you have your computer upload while you go to work or
something??? If I wanted to watch 5 minutes of BladeRunner, it would be faster
for me to go to the video store and rent the thing!  And what about those poor
people #B^) with 2400 bps modems...that's 3 and a half hours for 3 megs!

Think I've been reading comp.sys.amiga.advocacy (flame) too much.  #B^)

Seriously, Jay does not have great amounts of disk space.  Maybe it can be
kept up for a couple weeks then deleted, and something else can be downloaded.


                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Frank                            [MSG 56 OF 99]
[To      ] Sysop                            
[Date    ] Tue 24 May 94 22:14
[Subject ] problem with bundling

hello,
It has been awhile since I have been on the board.
I am still having a problem with bundling of mail.
The past several times that I have bundled mail for downloading it has never
came back for me to download.  I have waited almost 40 minutes this time for
it to pack but to no avail.  can you please look into this for me?  I haven't
read any mail since probably November or December...
CYA on_____.

[From    ] X                                [MSG 57 OF 99]
[To      ] Adam Chapman                     [Reply To 53]  
[Date    ] Wed 25 May 94  0:58
[Subject ] Re: Fido stuff

 AC> Hiya everyone...

 AC> Anyone over here in America have a Fido address and want to chat to
 AC> someone in England via Netmail?

 AC> GImmie a shout if ya do and leaveya number for me... (This means you
 
Yeah, i've got a Fido address if ya wanna chat, but I am up here in the 
great white north (Canada), if that really makes a difference.  Actually,
I would love to chat with someone from England, as I would like to plan
a vacation there eventually and would like to find out some more 
information.  I can be reached via netmail at 1:134/2010, or preferrably
1:134/2007.  Hopefully talk to ya later!  
                                -Jason Loxam

[From    ] Nick Danger                      [MSG 58 OF 99]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Wed 25 May 94 22:47
[Subject ] FidoNet

 A new BBS in Menlo Park is now carrying the FidoNet. I asked the Sysop if he
could start picking up the Amiga message base and he said he would so if your
local here's another outlet for you.
                            The Oasis
                           415-321-2020
Give it a try... Heck, maybe if we can get enough Amiga users on it he'll get
the whole Amiga Section off FidoNet.

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 59 OF 99]
[To      ] C-Man                            [Reply To 55]  [Has Reply 60]
[Date    ] Sat 28 May 94 20:47
[Subject ] Re: Files!

It takes a lot of balls to publically chastise the best Amiga BBS uploader in
the entire valley.  When it comes to devotion to the Amiga community, you're
not even in the same league as Eugene, and somebody better tell you so.  You
seem to have overlooked these points:

> It's not your place to make any comment about someone else's uploads, nor
even have an opinion on it.  This isn't your board, it's Jay's, and for all
you know he may have a secret penchant for movie clips, and was bouncing up
and down in anticipation as the files came up.

> You might consider the fact that the fault lies with Jay, if these were
unvalidated files, immediately available to the public.  If that's the way a
SysOp is running his board (and most do), then you take what you get, and no
complaints.  Somebody uploads that fake DiskSalv.dms with the virus in it, and
you download it and get infected, tough luck.  Of course, if the BladeRunner
files were validated, then point #1, above, applies.

> You might also consider the source.  I would estimate that more than a
fourth of the files on this board came up from Eugene, most from my board
(you're welcome), and many from the 'net.  He's also duplicated this amazing
display of generosity on Trembler BBS.  I'd say you picked on the wrong guy.

If you want to get on somebody's case, go tear into all those idiots who
upload duplicate files, the ones that end their file descriptions with "...",
(like that makes sense), and those guilty of the atrocious (and embarassing)
spelling in their file descriptions.  What do you think the ol' Lex-checker
would say if you ran the file descriptions through it?  "This message was
written by the average 4th-grader", would be my guess.  Oh, while we're on the
subject, also get on the idiots who designed BBS software that you only get to
look at the New files ONCE, and would design a message base that would be
virtually impossible to Read Previous Threads, Read Replies, etc, without
getting hopelessly lost.  

For what it's worth, Eugene also uploaded those mega-files to my board, and
I promptly threw them in the trash, although I have a gig and a half of empty
hard drive space.  I just don't like big video clips, think they're a waste of
download time, but Eugene and I have an understanding..he knows I'm a picky
bastard, but just goes right ahead and uploads anyways, letting me pick and
choose what I want.  My members never got a chance to complain, not that any
of them would have.  If Jay wants disk space, he has but to ask, and if you
guys can't pitch in a few odd pieces of hardware, my gang certainly can.

Eugene: They've now complained that your MODs don't have file descriptions,
your pictures are too grainy, and your uploads are too big.  My suggestion is
you stick with small, safe, under-7k CLI utilities.

Paul & Glarf: Stay out of this, this isn't your business.

Cman (Mike, is that you?): See you at the video store!  :)


[From    ] Maverick                         [REC'D] [MSG 60 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 59]  [Has Reply 61]
[Date    ] Sun 29 May 94 11:32
[Subject ] E

I suggest y'all take this Private. Thanks (no flames from me)`y

MAVERICK....

[From    ] C-Man                            [REC'D] [MSG 61 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 60]  [Has Reply 62]
[Date    ] Mon 30 May 94 16:26
[Subject ] Re: Files!

In a message dated Sat 28 May 94 20:47, The Benchmaster wrote:

 TB> It takes a lot of balls to publically chastise the best Amiga BBS
 TB> uploader in the entire valley.  When it comes to devotion to the

I had a smiley in there. #B^)

> It's not your place to make any comment about someone else's uploads, nor
even have an opinion on it.  This isn't your board, it's Jay's, and for all 

I help jay out in deleting duplicates / old versions / old stuff / not so good
stuff.  I don't want to download 3 megs to see if it's good.  I DO NOT delete
them though.  I leave them unvalidated for Jay.

> You might also consider the source.  I would estimate that more than a
fourth of the files on this board came up from Eugene, most from my board 

True, but any more huge ones and Jays HD with blow! #B^)

 TB> For what it's worth, Eugene also uploaded those mega-files to my
 TB> board, and
 TB> I promptly threw them in the trash, although I have a gig and a half

Are you and Eugene brothers?

By the way, it is me...Mike!  Thanks for all the uploads back when.  Also, I
am not chastising anybody.  I was informing him in a humourus way (or at least
trying to).

Sorry I don't call you're board Benchie, I don't have a job as of 'today', but
maybe next week!  See 'ya.


                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [MSG 62 OF 99]
[To      ] Maverick                         [Reply To 61]  [Has Reply 63]
[Date    ] Mon 30 May 94 23:01
[Subject ] Eye Of The Beholder

I disagree.  I think the things Mike and I are discussing involve elemental
points in how a BBS should be operated, and who has a say in what.  I didn't
know Mike was helping Jay behind the scenes, and it would be inappropriate for
young, impressionable members to think it's permissible for one member to tell
another member what they can, or cannot, upload.

Also, I raise another aspect in my response to Mike's rebuttal that should be
of interest to any 2400 baud callers out there, that being what started the
whole thing.  

Besides, just 'cause the fur flies is no reason to start sweeping things under
the rug.  Are you on FAUG BBS?  Bremer runs that place with an iron hand, and
sometimes it seems like every other message is some abject apology from some
member for committing some heinous crime, like uploading a duplicate file or
not exiting the board properly.  Quite frankly, his members are afraid to
openly voice their criticisms.  I told him that we didn't put up with that
bullshit down here in the South Bay; that we were a tough, gritty bunch that
could handle the occasional tussle, and I meant it.

- TBM

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 63 OF 99]
[To      ] C-Man                            [Reply To 62]  [Has Reply 64]
[Date    ] Mon 30 May 94 23:14
[Subject ] Re: Files!


  Sorry I blew my stack, Mike, but Eugene's done more for the immediate
Amiga BBS community than any 100 members put together, and has helped my
board immeasurably, so I took that very personally.  Yeah, I saw the smiley
face, but what I said to myself was, "Sometimes smiley faces just don't
count." :)

  Also, I didn't know you were doing a little co-sysoping for Jay, that
makes a difference.  Nice of you to do, too!  Getting your appetite whetted
to get your own board fired up again?  If so, you might give this Maxie's
BBS software a look-see, it's pretty neat stuff.  Drop by the board some-
time and check it out, 238-5885.  While the coolest part is using the up
and down arrow keys to run over the files to Mark them for auto-download-
ing, what still stuns me is that the full-screen editor is actually...full
screen!  Most of them are more like half-screen editors, like thislittle
jobbie.  I'm putting together a little Max's BBS package, complete with
additional tools and my 40k mini-doc, should have that together soon and
will toss it up here.  Any of you aspiring SysOps out there, this is what
you've been waiting for.

  One thing that Eugene mentioned to me this morning was that being
concerned about 2400 baud callers is a little passe by today's standards,and I
totally agree with him.  Here's a little perspective for ya:  When
BBSs were 2400 baud, we mocked and scorned 300 baud callers, and wouldn't
have dreamed of letting them on.  It would have been ridiculous to let a
"one-eighth speed" caller bog down the board.  Well, today's standard is
28.8, so a 2400 caller is a ONE-TWELFTH speed caller!  How does one justify
kicking out the 1/8th speed callers, and letting the much-slower 1/12th
callers remain?  With 14.4 prices now below $100 (CompUSA), there's just no
excuse for remaining in the dark ages.  I suppose all the 2400 callers
reading this are bouncing up and down with rage, calling me "elitist" (or
worse), while all the hi-speed boys are nodding their heads in sage
agreement.  :)

  Glad we got the air cleared, bud, you answered my charges with real
class.  I'll tell Eugene it's safe to come out now.  ;>

  - Bencheroo


[From    ] Bob Dyer                         [REC'D] [MSG 64 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 63]  [Has Reply 65]
[Date    ] Tue 31 May 94 18:36
[Subject ] E

Sorry Benchie...I have to disagree.   There is / are several excuses to
whit...............................no job= no money= stuck at 2400
 
                                           cul


[From    ] C-Man                            [REC'D] [MSG 65 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 64]  [Has Reply 67]
[Date    ] Tue 31 May 94 19:51
[Subject ] Re: Files!

In a message dated Mon 30 May 94 23:14, The Benchmaster wrote:

 TB>   One thing that Eugene mentioned to me this morning was that being
 TB> concerned about 2400 baud callers is a little passe by today's
 TB> standards,and I totally agree with him.  Here's a little perspective

28.8 is not standard YET.  I'd say 14.4 is right now, and heading towards
higher.  28.8 (V.FAST) doesn't even have a true standard right now.  And we're
not going past 28.8 untill everybody gets their own ISDN line anyway.

 TB>   Glad we got the air cleared, bud, you answered my charges with real
 TB> class.  I'll tell Eugene it's safe to come out now.  ;>

Heh.

By the way, I have always been interested in BBSs, networks, programming, etc.
so I may start my own 'mini-portal' someday.  I've been taking classes mostly
in those subjects, and I truely like it.  Talk to you later!  And I'll call
you're board out soon...I want ot see that file-tagging!


                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] James Bond                       [REC'D] [MSG 66 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Has Reply 71]
[Date    ] Wed  1 Jun 94 16:06
[Subject ] 2400

 yeah, but you still have the same time limit. You can hog jsut as easily with
a super fast modem as with a slow one. And for text, it doesn't make all that
much of a difference.

[From    ] Muyaso                           [REC'D] [MSG 67 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 65]  [Has Reply 68]
[Date    ] Wed  1 Jun 94 16:41
[Subject ] Re: Files!

Well, simply enough, if 2400 is too slow for d/l'ing 3meg files, if you have a
2400, DON'T DOWNLOAD IT. 

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 68 OF 99]
[To      ] Bob Dyer                         [Reply To 67]  [Has Reply 69]
[Date    ] Thu  2 Jun 94 17:12
[Subject ] Re: E

Hey, guy..how be!  

Oh, I certainly sympthize with lo-bauders, my only point was that they "better
eenjoy it while it asts", as their day is sure to come.  Maybe not PD boards
so much, but pay boads might be unavailable.  On the other hand, I guess if
you're a pay board, the lower baud, the better, right?  You'd want to
encourage people to go 300 baud!  Claim it doesn't hurt the environment as bad
as those nasty, large, big-baud electrons!

P.S. They're hiring at Domino's. :)

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 69 OF 99]
[To      ] C-Man                            [Reply To 68]  [Has Reply 70]
[Date    ] Thu  2 Jun 94 17:18
[Subject ] Re: Files!

For a hunddred bucks a month, you can do Portal one better.  I'm not up on all
the details, but an Internet hookup from a local provider costs in the
neighborhood of $100 a month, with claims that it'll be down to $40 by late
summer.  And you not only get the ftp sites, Usenet, Telnet, Gopher, IRC, etc,
but a few other goodies, like this www thing.  Asher's up to date on it, if
you want to ask him.  I came this > < close to doing it, before it dawned on
my peabrain that only 10% of the internet are Amiga files, and I'd soon be
innundated with IBM and Mac users, using my board as nothing but a server. 
Not in my lifetime, you don't. ;)

Getting back to protocols for a sec, here's what I said to a buddy on the
phone last night, who said the same thing you did.  First off, aside from
that, yes, it's true, V.FC/V.FAST, like my Hayes 28.8, isn't "the" protocol,
it's been officially agreed to be "the" protocol until "the" protocol can 
decided upon.  Estimate two-three years.

What I said was this: A Supra 28.8 modem costs $260 right now, call it the
"initial release price".  When 14.4s came out, they were about $260.  When
9600 baud modems first came out, they were about $250.  When 2400 baud modems
first came out, they were about $240.  When 1200 baud modems first came out,
they were about $220.  Without an "official" standard, I would say that's a
good way to gauge it.  A little accounting for inflation and the graph is
straight right up the scale.  

Then again, I'd expect such an argument from you, a mere "half-speed" caller. 
&ltwink wink..nudge nudge>


[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 70 OF 99]
[To      ] Muyaso                           [Reply To 69]  [Has Reply 74]
[Date    ] Thu  2 Jun 94 17:32
[Subject ] Re: Files!

Please.  No interjecting "reason" here in our discussion.

We're doing quite well without it.

;>


[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [MSG 71 OF 99]
[To      ] James Bond                       [Reply To 66]  [Has Reply 72]
[Date    ] Thu  2 Jun 94 17:34
[Subject ] Re: 2400

I actually talked with somebody the other day who had actually SEEN a 28.8 to
28.8 baudm transfer.  He said he only had one word for the experience.

The word was "breathtaking".

:)


[From    ] C-Man                            [REC'D] [MSG 72 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 71]  [Has Reply 79]
[Date    ] Thu  2 Jun 94 21:10
[Subject ] Re: 2400

In a message dated Thu  2 Jun 94 17:34, The Benchmaster wrote:

 TB> I actually talked with somebody the other day who had actually SEEN a
 TB> 28.8 to 28.8 baudm transfer.  He said he only had one word for the
 TB> experience.

Since you sometimes correct some people on their spelling, can I say that it
is NOT 28.8, it't 28.8 bps.  The buad rate is still around 2400 and the modem
performs some phase modulation stuff to get higher throughput. #B^)

[From    ] Courier                          [REC'D] [MSG 73 OF 99]
[To      ] C-Man                            [Reply To 34]  
[Date    ] Sat  4 Jun 94 18:55
[Subject ] Re: Dream Machine


[From    ] Paul Tibbals                     [REC'D] [MSG 74 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 70]  [Has Reply 75]
[Date    ] Sun  5 Jun 94 10:47
[Subject ] re: modems

OK, I let my name be taken in vain there, but now you've gone too far.
 
28.8 kbps a STANDARD?  BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZt
 
So a few elitists have bought modems that can maybe do 28.8 to each other. 
You're worse than us former HST only owners - at least there was a quorum of
those, as the sysops all had 'em.  Now there are .8 of
[From    ] Paul Tibbals                     [REC'D] [MSG 75 OF 99]
[To      ] Paul Tibbals                     [Reply To 74]  [Has Reply 77]
[Date    ] Sun  5 Jun 94 10:54
[Subject ] re: modems

000000000000000000000000000000 well, the message somehow got truncated, here's
the rest:
 
a percent of dudez and  
dudettez with 28.8's out there and Benchie is calling it a standard!!!  Of    

couse he has one, so that is the way he'd dream of it being.
 
BTW, last I heard, the v.FC 28.8 standard wasn't even finished being set to   

paper by the ITU (formerly CCITT).  Later this year modems will be available  

to a real "standard", not just what Rockwell & Hayes are trying to force-feed 

to theindustry, and then you'll be able to get your upgrade to that standard  

as a ROM upgrade.  Hope they don't charge you too much.
 
PaulT             Ouch!  Got a little extra hydrocarbon on my flamethrower    

there, almost blistered m'self!  ;-)

[From    ] C-Man                            [MSG 76 OF 99]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Mon  6 Jun 94 22:45
[Subject ] Flame Wars

   I think we need another message area..."Flame Wars" #B^)


                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Muyaso                           [REC'D] [MSG 77 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 75]  [Has Reply 78]
[Date    ] Mon  6 Jun 94 23:40
[Subject ] Re: Files!

oh..sorry...i'll try not to think next time.

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 78 OF 99]
[To      ] Paul Tibbals                     [Reply To 77]  [Has Reply 80]
[Date    ] Tue  7 Jun 94 18:55
[Subject ] re: modems

  
  Sounds like sour grapes, buck.

  Ever notice, in this volatile world of modem standards, that whenever one
person stands up and hollers something like "HST is the new standard!", all
the HST owners sit around, wisely nodding their heads, while everybody else
gets worked up into a lather?

  So it is again.


  Let me ask you this:

  Who cares?

  Who cares what the latest "standard" is, we just want modems that work
right and transfer files quickly.  As computer owners, we're so used to
things NOT being standardized that when someone comes along hollering "It's
not standard!  It's not standard!", it appears ludicrous.  Or whimsical.

  And while you're waving some piece of paper around, claiming this
standard or that, I prefer to use a different gauge: sales.  28.8 modems
have been selling like hotcakes down at Fry's for months.  They had EIGHT
on the shelf two days before I walked in to buy mine, all gone.  Had to go
to another Fry's, where they had ONE left on the shelf, with the sales-
person calling me "lucky" to get that one.

  Two of my friends work for local adult boards, one's the production
manager of Gourmet Gallery and the other is a system troubleshooter or
their sister board.  They say that "everybody" in their end of the industry
has gone 28.8...and that was six months ago!  There are now a TON of 28.8
modems out there, and here you are, futilely waving your piece of paper.
Weren't you waving that same piece of paper when 14.4 modems came out?
They weren't the "standard", either, but they swamped the industry and
BECAME the standard through sheer number power.  It's the American Wy!

  And that's when they were selling for $260, not discounted prices.  Well,
now the 28.8s are selling for $260, and here we go again.  I didn't like
the idea of those 14.4s outdating my (STANDARD) 9600 modem, but bucking the
trend just doesn't get it in this field.  You run with the pack or fall
behind.

  Have a nice wait.


[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 79 OF 99]
[To      ] C-Man                            [Reply To 72]  [Has Reply 82]
[Date    ] Tue  7 Jun 94 18:57
[Subject ] Re: 2400

> is NOT 28.8, it't 28.8 bps.  The buad rate is still around 2400 and the 

"buad" is spelled "baud", the "a" comes before the "u".


(baud, schmaud...techie know-it-all!  Bah, who need's em... ;)

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 80 OF 99]
[To      ] Paul Tibbals                     [Reply To 78]  [Has Reply 81]
[Date    ] Tue  7 Jun 94 19:00
[Subject ] re: modems

 
  P.S.  I have three requests please:

  1.  I really think you should stop this "BZZZZZZZZZZT!!" business.  It
makes you come off as some Know-It-All...and we all know this just isn't
the case.  Worse, it makes people vengeful; they want to lie in wait with
their own BZZZZZZZZZZT! at the ready, waiting...waiting...waiting...for
you to make the smallest, tiniest blunder of your own.  As I am.  ;)

  And my question would be; in the remote, unlikely chance that you were
actually wrong in the first place, will you have the courage and fortitude
to BZZZZZZZZZZT! yourself?  In public?  Right up there for all to see?

  You know.  Just like you'd do it to anyone else.


  2.  If you're addressing a letter to me, personally, please don't go
wandering off in the second person, saying "Benchie did this", or "Benchie
said that", like you're suddenly talking to Al.  Either talk to me, or
about me, but not both at the same time, thank you.


  3.  I don't have much time for calling BBSs, and try not to call LD too
much, so I don't call here very often, so puh-leeze don't start a bunch of
message threads for me here!  :) I only called here the other day 'cause a
few people notified me that someone had flamed Eugene, and that got my
curiosity (an then dander) up.

  (BTW: In my message to C-man, I said "Sometimes smiley faces just don't
count".  In this recent blast of yours, I would say that the smiley face
at the end of your message was equally valueless.)


  Oh, sorry, make that four requests.


  Please call me an "elitist" whenever you want!

  Feels GOOD up here!  


  The air is rarified.  28.8 on the Pureness Scale.

  The clouds are serene and still.

  The view is breathtaking.


  Time and space eem to take on an added dimension.  

  The color spectrum is more vivid and real.

  Life seems to have magnified upon itself.


  It is the ehereal plane attained.


  Thanks again.

  ;)



[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 81 OF 99]
[To      ] Muyaso                           [Reply To 80]  [Has Reply 84]
[Date    ] Tue  7 Jun 94 19:07
[Subject ] Re: Files!

Thanks.  That'd be appreciated by all.  Thinking has gotten many, many people
in deep, deep trouble.

Myself, for instance. :)


Listen, I hate to be rude, but my curiosity is just spilling over, so would
you mind if I ask you a very personal question? 


Is your handle Spanish for "very butt"?


Thanks in advance.  So t
[From    ] C-Man                            [REC'D] [MSG 82 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 79]  [Has Reply 86]
[Date    ] Wed  8 Jun 94  0:38
[Subject ] Re: 2400

In a message dated Tue  7 Jun 94 18:57, The Benchmaster wrote:

> is NOT 28.8, it't 28.8 bps.  The buad rate is still around 2400 and the 

 TB> "buad" is spelled "baud", the "a" comes before the "u".

That was a typo!  Doesn't count!


                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] C-Man                            [MSG 83 OF 99]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Wed  8 Jun 94  0:44
[Subject ] apology

   Ok, I personally apologize to Eugene Doctor for my harsh but jokingly
comments.  If you read too much comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, you get this way. 
There is no harm intended, just as in advocacy.  I thought Amiga was a family.


                                   cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Glarf, King Of The Zorgons       [REC'D] [MSG 84 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 81]  [Has Reply 85]
[Date    ] Sat 11 Jun 94  8:01
[Subject ] Re: Eye Of The Beholder

> Besides, just 'cause the fur flies is no reason to start sweeping things
> under the rug.  Are you on FAUG BBS?  Bremer runs that place with an
> iron hand, and sometimes it seems like every other message is some
> abject apology from some member for committing some heinous crime, like
> uploading a duplicate file or not exiting the board properly.  Quite
> frankly, his members are afraid to openly voice their criticisms.

Wha?  Excuse me?  What planet is the FAUG that YOU are calling on?  It
sure doesn't sound at all similar to the one *I* call.

This has got to be the most clueless drivel I've read here in months.

Maybe you think the lack of criticism on FAUG indicates fear, but I happen
to think it means we LIKE the place.

[From    ] Glarf, King Of The Zorgons       [REC'D] [MSG 85 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 84]  [Has Reply 87]
[Date    ] Sat 11 Jun 94  8:09
[Subject ] re: modems

> There are now a TON of 28.8
> modems out there, and here you are, futilely waving your piece of paper.
> Weren't you waving that same piece of paper when 14.4 modems came out?
 
Those who waited for the paper and got V.32bis seem to me to be quite a bit
better off now than those who went with the accepted pre-standard and got
HSTs.
 
And by the way, new modem speeds to NOT debut at $260 -- if you pay attention,
you will see the first ones for $800.  I remember seeing a 2400 baud modem
advertised for $900 once.  I remember HST duals for almost $1100.  

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 86 OF 99]
[To      ] C-Man                            [Reply To 82]  [Has Reply 99]
[Date    ] Sat 11 Jun 94 13:57
[Subject ] Re: 2400

Ah, I see.  A "typo".

Uh-huh.


Okay, I'm sure we can excuse a PHYSICAL typo or two...

but what worries me are your mental typos.

: ( )

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 87 OF 99]
[To      ] Glarf, King Of The Zorgons       [Reply To 85]  [Has Reply 88]
[Date    ] Sat 11 Jun 94 14:00
[Subject ] Re: Eye Of The Beholder

But wait!  Clueless drivel is allowed here in The Lounge!


Okay, pardon my disparaging remarks, but I was looking over the shoulder of a
friend as he logged on FAUG just the other night, we drift over by the message
base, and sure enough, the very first two messages were abject apologies from
two people who had obviously been chastised in public for their heinous
crimes.  That is to say, uploading a duplicate file, and not logging off the
board correctly, respectively.  Or disrespectively, as the case may be.

So we laughed, my friend said "Looks like the same old FAUG to me", and we
logged off.  End of story. 

Tell him to get some menus, fer chrissakes, even this green text business
beats the pants off those plain vanilla jobs he's got.  If he hasn't got the
time, tell him to advertise for a resident board artist.  Most of these new
software packages use these "binary ANSI" menus, and they're a blast to make
with the new-style ANSI paint kits, like LaDraw.

Actually, I knew you were itching to enter into the Great Modem Standard
Debate, so I figured if I said a few bad things about FAUG, you'd show up. 
So, okay, how do you feel about this?  Did Hayes do a bad thing by stepping
over 19.2 and jumping on the 28.8 bandwagon?  Do we measure the "standard" of
the day by what's written, or what's selling down at Fry's?  Didn't we all
have this same argument when 14.4 reared its ugly head?

Nice to see you back in the ring.


[From    ] Paul Tibbals                     [REC'D] [MSG 88 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 87]  [Has Reply 89]
[Date    ] Sat 11 Jun 94 18:04
[Subject ] re: bzzzzzzzzzt

I don't generally BZZZZZZZZZZZZT myself in public, as I consider it
inappropriate!  
 
I also usually use it only when referring to technical facts, rather than
opinions.  Maybe 28.8 use is increasing, it sure seems to be based on your
observations of sales.  But there are megamittloads of v.32 and v.32bis modems
out there.  All the early adopters have jumped to 28.8 and are trusting Hayes
et all to make them compatible in the future.  sounds a lot like what the
HSTers did, though (we) they lost that battle.  The business adopters can
justify high speed, it's when the average user gets there that the market
explodes!
 
>  P.S.  I have three requests please:
>
>  1.  I really think you should stop this "BZZZZZZZZZZT!!" business.  It
&gtmakes you come off as some Know-It-All...and we all know this just isn't
&gtthe case.  Worse, it makes people vengeful; they want to lie in wait with
&gttheir own BZZZZZZZZZZT! at the ready, waiting...waiting...waiting...for
&gtyou to make the smallest, tiniest blunder of your own.  As I am.  ;)
 
As for complaining that a smiley doesn't soften a mean, vengeful, scornful
message, how about the above paragraph?  Hmm, when I drop into your board and
explain a tech topic, you're quite appreciative, but now....  Well, since we
all know this isn't the case, then you can quite appropriately ignore me and
my rantings.
 
Oh, well, just keeping up those message threads.  BTW, your board is screwed
up this weekend, in case you happen to check in here soon - I can't even leave
you a message about it.
 
PaulT

[From    ] Glarf, King Of The Zorgons       [REC'D] [MSG 89 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 88]  [Has Reply 90]
[Date    ] Sun 12 Jun 94 18:36
[Subject ] Re: Eye Of The Beholder

> Nice to see you back in the ring.
 
Too bad I can't say the same for you.

Flaming and slandering right and left... and then lecturing other people on
being polite to YOU!

> we drift over by the message
> base, and sure enough, the very first two messages were abject apologies
from
> two people who had obviously been chastised in public for their heinous
> crimes.  That is to say, uploading a duplicate file
 
When somebody uploads a duplicate, they get a canned message.  Whoop de do.

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 90 OF 99]
[To      ] Paul Tibbals                     [Reply To 89]  [Has Reply 91]
[Date    ] Tue 14 Jun 94 20:59
[Subject ] re: bzzzzzzzzzt

   
  Okay okay okay okay, let's drop this thread.  I've got the feeling that
Maverick's about ready to barge in with another plea to carry this to the
private base, and this time I agree with him.

  Sorry you ran into that snag on my board last weekend!  Under the heading
of "Oops!", I was playing with my first tape drive, and learned a valuable
lesson: "Tape drives aren't hard drives." I was just copying some
experimental files to the tape drive, someone went to save a message, and
pow, the message data file got corrupted.  Oops!  Lost about a month of
messages, there, but I managed to save a few threads, such as your current
one with Greg.  Well, live and learn.  Bummer was, it was just a freebie,
but turned out to only be a 60-megger, hardly worth bothering with. :(  I'd
donate it to Jay, but that waiting 5 minutes between downloads is SUCH a
drag!

 - TBM


[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 91 OF 99]
[To      ] Glarf, King Of The Zorgons       [Reply To 90]  
[Date    ] Tue 14 Jun 94 21:01
[Subject ] Re: Eye Of The Beholder

You are SO cute!  :)

I'm sure there would be MANY people who would simply be STUNNED to learn that
the BenchMaster had "slandered" somebody in a public forum.  Riduculed,
abased, scorned, mocked, degraded, yes!  But "slander"?  Never!

I was right about you, when I first offered you that private invitation to my
board.  With your strong words and keen eye, you're a real plum for any
message base.  But at least I've got Tibbals to keep me on my toes.  :)

When somebody uploads a duplicate file to my board, it takes me a minute or so
to check things out and make sure it's a duplicate, then I leave a quick
private message for the person, saying something akin to "Thanks for the
upload, sorry, already have it!"  I figure the time they wasted uploading the
file is their punishment.

Biggest golf tournament of the year starts this Thursday!  The U.S. Open!

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [MSG 92 OF 99]
[To      ] Aspiring Sysops                  [Has Reply 93]
[Date    ] Tue 14 Jun 94 21:17
[Subject ] Max's Update

  Coz, JJ, Mike, Steven, James, et al:
 
  Everybody else, beat it.  This is just a private little chat between me
and any aspiring SysOps out there.  Or any SysOps that are fed up with
their software.  (C-man's board used to have a "SysOps Only" chat area,
tre cool, Mike)


  Okay.  This MAXsBBS stuff continues to impress me, and I've been able to
successfully circumnavigate any obstacles I've run into.  It does support
FidoNet and multiple nodes, I think we got that cleared up, and I'd like to
remind you of one feature that's relatively obscure, but is actually quite
nifty.  That's the putting the file description in the LHA file's FileNote,
or "Comment Box", as we called it under 1.3.  You set up your DU with the
command, and do it right after you arc the files.  Then it's automatically
logged in as the File Description, which makes the actual logging on of he
files a snap.  But what makes it so important is that other (hopefully)
smart BBS programs in the future will use it, which would eliminate 90% of the
hassle of changing software.  

  With all that said, let me mention two additional features that you might
find relevant.  

  You may allow the members to attach comments to the File Descriptions, as
can be done here.

  Or, you may not.

  What's nice about the feature is that it has a nice big OFF switch, so
you don't have to use it.  Me, I don't give a rat's ass what one or two
members think about some file I have on the board, so I definitely have it
off.  This kind of thing also allows for what I consider to be breaches of
board etiquette; leaving your criticism of someone's upload in the perma-
nent archives, rather than the message base, where it belongs.  Or it might
concern a temporary situation, like current available hard drive space, and
that's kind of a dumb thing to leave in what's supposed to be a permanent
area.

  But you might decide to try it and see what happens.  If you have some
particular member who's leaving uncalled-for "messages" in the files area,
you can just eliminate his write access to those areas.  He won't be able
to leave any comment about his own uploads, but perhaps that's just as
well.

  Another nice feature is that you can allot the message bas area a
certain amount of drive space, so even if your drive gets full, there's
always room for messages.  Myself, after somewhat belittling it in my
earlier years, have now turned into a partition nut, so my uploads and
message files are on different devices, no probs.  But if you're not into
the partition scene, this makes for a great safety net.  For that matter,
you can also specify a maximum file size and maximum upload space.

  A couple more things?  Okay, you can specify how many times the member
hits te Page SysOp bell before he gets a nasty message.  Also, when you
get paged, it doesn't just ring the bell, it spits out a message to the
user, so you can tell him you'll `be there when you can', so there's no
excuse for them hitting the bell over and over and over.  I give 'em two
tries, on the third I say something terrible and vile.

  You can use whatever soundfile you want for the Page sound; I use this
terrific soft strumming harp.  You can also adjust the play rate of the
sound sample, just for tweakingness's sake.  

  More?  Can't stop now!  I wouldn't dream of doing either of these, but
they might appeal to you:  You can allow the members to Quote messages
&ltblech>, and you can let them store up daily board time in a "time bank".
I, personally, think the Quote feature is WAY overused, and I just don't
know about this time bank business...just doesn't feel right.  If one of
the gang needs extra time for some mega-download, they just hit the bell
and I give it to them, big deal.

  Speaking of daily board time, there's a "Lottery" door out there that
lets your members GAMBLE with their daily board time!  :)  I haven't
installed it yet, but sounds like a fun idea.  Actually, with an hour daily
at 14.4, hardly anybody runs out of time.

  Okay, that's it for now.  I'm still tinkering with my own special Max's
package; his program and all my auxillery notes, scriptfiles and tools.
May not have it done for another week or so (always so hard to let the
fledglings leave the nest), but it'll be worth the wait.  Any questions
about the software, gladly answered on my board, not here...this is an LD
call to me.


Stay looses, gooses.

- TBM


(BBS 408-238-1382)

[From    ] Coz                              [REC'D] [MSG 93 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 92]  [Has Reply 95]
[Date    ] Tue 14 Jun 94 22:09
[Subject ] Re: Max's Update

     I truly like MaxsBBS aside from tha fact that my macro to login and send
my password won't work. Ever figure that out?
     Now that I will be getting more $$$ I can now look forward to...
     a. Get a new monitor and put the 1084 on my A2000 for the BBS.
     b. Get the extra modem.
     c. get a new phone line.
     Hurrah! So you guys can FINALLY be looking for CozBBS in Walnut Creek.
          Coz

[From    ] Coz                              [MSG 94 OF 99]
[To      ] Sysop                            
[Date    ] Tue 14 Jun 94 22:15
[Subject ] Hi!

     Just an open letter to you, Jay, to ask how you are doing and if you are
back from surgery. Hope all is well with and I'm sure everybody along with me
wishes you the best.
     Take care!
          Coz

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 95 OF 99]
[To      ] Coz                              [Reply To 93]  [Has Reply 96]
[Date    ] Sat 18 Jun 94  9:34
[Subject ] Re: Max's Update

Excellent news, bud!  I can be as critical a bastard as the best of them, and
I've got very few complaints about the stuff.  The only thing about it that's
really a knife in the side is the 100-section limitation, but that's my fault
for having a zillion pics on the board, hogging up 27 of the sections, blush.

Yep, that macro dealie was easy, just use \n instead of ^M, like:

&ltname>\n\n~~~~~~~&ltpassword>\n~~~~

The trick is the double-\n the first time, I think it's to get around that
blank line in between "Name:" and "Password".  The \n is what NComm uses,
you'll have to double-check to see what your term proggie uses.

And...

a. I'm using a 1080 for the BBS, but because it's missing the "squeeze"
vertical adjustment, you have to dick around a bit more with the PAL mode. 
Thorough instructions will be in my Maxie's package, as well as a helpful tool
or two.

b. Dare I ask what modem, and, um...speed you're planning on getting?  As a
"Sysop's investment", that $260 they're asking for the Supra 28.8 doesn't
sound like too much, and Supra's got some kinda SysOp's Discount jobbie you
could check out.

c. That was "phone line", singular?  Not sure what it is in W.C., but it's
only $35 installation for the third line here, amortized over three months. 
At $8 a month (ask for `zero message units' when you order them), each extra
line seems well worth it.  If nothing else, just for the prestige of being
able to say "multiple line" instead of "dual line". :)  Leave me your address
next time you're on my board, and I'll send ya this extra 2400 internal Supra
modem I've got.


And as one small additional note, as an aspiring SysOp, you may hope, you may
HOPE, I tell you, that you NEVER get a letter like the one I'm about ready to
send to Gary Chow, Co-SysOp of this board. ;)



[From    ] Coz                              [REC'D] [MSG 96 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 95]  [Has Reply 97]
[Date    ] Sat 18 Jun 94 20:45
[Subject ] Re: Max's Update

     Eventually it will be phone lineS. 8^)
     As for the PAL setting... The extra lines just get shoved above and below
the screen. On my A4000/030 with 1084, the monitor seems to reset the scan
rate and properly scales the image. Looks NICE with MagicWorkBench. But
Marsha's A1200 still looks "ok" with NTSC set at 640x200. Shame, mine looks
spiffy at 640x256.
          Coz

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 97 OF 99]
[To      ] Coz                              [Reply To 96]  [Has Reply 98]
[Date    ] Mon 20 Jun 94  9:38
[Subject ] Re: Max's Update

Well, when you get Maxie's running, you can play with the PAL stuff again and
see if you can get everything lined up...it's kind of a trip, since this is
"Aussie PAL", not the usual Euro stuff.  Oh, I made a boo-boo the other day,
the 1080 monitor does have the squeeze-down adjustment on (in) the back, it's
the up-down vertical adjustment it's missing.  But the Overscan prefs can take
care of that.


[From    ] Coz                              [MSG 98 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 97]  
[Date    ] Mon 20 Jun 94 22:56
[Subject ] Re: Max's Update

     But the 1084 required NO adjustment to PAL at all. Actually, I was just
trying to get my wife's a1200 to run MagicWB like my A4000. I didn't want to
adjust the vert adj on the 1084S as that would mean NTSC stuff would be
squashed. Sigh...
          Coz

[From    ] X                                [MSG 99 OF 99]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 86]  
[Date    ] Tue 21 Jun 94  0:50
[Subject ] Re: 2400

 TB> I actually talked with somebody the other day who had actually SEEN a
 TB> 28.8 to 28.8 baudm transfer.  He said he only had one word for the
 TB> experience.

 TB> The word was "breathtaking".

Hehehehe... Must agree, but I would have to call it "Very Impressive".  What
kinda 28.8K did ya get?  Hayes?  Hmmm, anything good about the Microcom's? 
Everyone's running the new Supra 28.8's here, but I am hesitant to buy
another, after HOW many ROM revisions, my 14.4K is FINALLY kinda dependable. 
TTYL....

Searching areas: [2] [From    ] Donald Engstrom                  [MSG 1 OF 49]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 2]
[Date    ] Mon 21 Mar 94 15:44
[Subject ] 14.4 term prog.

Can anyone recommend a terminal program that supports 14.4 speed? I guess my
first question should be will the 68000 chip handle that speed ok. any help
would be appreciated....
                               Don

[From    ] Kerry Hales                      [REC'D] [MSG 2 OF 49]
[To      ] Donald Engstrom                  [Reply To 1]  [Has Reply 3]
[Date    ] Mon 21 Mar 94 19:20
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

I think nearly all programs support 14.4 and above.  Try Terminus.

[From    ] Donald Engstrom                  [REC'D] [MSG 3 OF 49]
[To      ] Kerry Hales                      [Reply To 2]  [Has Reply 4]
[Date    ] Tue 22 Mar 94 16:39
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

NComm 1.2 doesn't but I'll check out terminus, Thanks.
 
                             Don


[From    ] Ronald Sumandal                  [REC'D] [MSG 4 OF 49]
[To      ] Donald Engstrom                  [Reply To 3]  [Has Reply 6]
[Date    ] Sat 26 Mar 94  2:11
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

NComm 3.0 works just fine, think its on this board.   ron

[From    ] Paul Kienitz                     [REC'D] [MSG 5 OF 49]
[To      ] Mike Austin                      [Has Reply 9]
[Date    ] Sat 26 Mar 94  7:35
[Subject ] Re: Downloading & Multitasking

>  PK> What would you do with it if you DID find it??
 
> If it has a priority, change it.  If not, uhhhh, I don't know!
 
The priority of the interrupt it uses is built into the hardware!

[From    ] Myron Lieberman                  [REC'D] [MSG 6 OF 49]
[To      ] Donald Engstrom                  [Reply To 4]  [Has Reply 7]
[Date    ] Sat 26 Mar 94 18:00
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

The 68000 and most Amiga terminal programs support 14400. While I am connected
here at 2400 it is because I am connected through PC Pursuit (which goes out
of existence next week) and their outdial doesn't handle more than 2400. I
connect to most BBSs and services at 14400 using NCOMM and an A1000 (which has
been upgraded to 2.1 and 9 Meg of RAM but with the original 8 MHz 68000.).

I connect to BIX and Portal through the Internet via telnet and connect to my
local internet access provider (indirect.com) at 14400. The only thing I
sacrifice with a telnet connection is zmodem uploads. My zmodem download rates
are normally over 1600 cps.


[From    ] Myron Lieberman                  [REC'D] [MSG 7 OF 49]
[To      ] Donald Engstrom                  [Reply To 6]  [Has Reply 8]
[Date    ] Sat 26 Mar 94 18:11
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

Try NCOMM 2. It works fine at 14.4.

[From    ] James Elkinton                   [REC'D] [MSG 8 OF 49]
[To      ] Donald Engstrom                  [Reply To 7]  [Has Reply 10]
[Date    ] Sun 27 Mar 94 20:24
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

In a message dated Tue 22 Mar 94 16:39, Donald Engstrom wrote:

 DE> NComm 1.2 doesn't but I'll check out terminus, Thanks.

1.2?!?!?  Never heard of it!  Do you mean 1.92/1.921?
 
btw, Terminus still has problems with maintaining integrity with scrolling,
ANSI, and VT10x stuff...even with revision D.  If there is a revision E or
higher, go for it, but I gave up on the defectware as of revision D.
 
There's only so much I will take from a program...
 


                                                 zZz


[From    ] Mike Austin                      [REC'D] [MSG 9 OF 49]
[To      ] Paul Kienitz                     [Reply To 5]  
[Date    ] Sun 27 Mar 94 20:59
[Subject ] Re: Downloading & Multitasking

In a message dated Sat 26 Mar 94  7:35, Paul Kienitz wrote:

>  PK> What would you do with it if you DID find it??

> If it has a priority, change it.  If not, uhhhh, I don't know!

 PK> The priority of the interrupt it uses is built into the hardware!

I thought so.


                                 cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Donald Engstrom                  [REC'D] [MSG 10 OF 49]
[To      ] Ronald Sumandal                  [Reply To 8]  [Has Reply 11]
[Date    ] Mon 28 Mar 94 11:14
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

I remember seeing the 3.0 version of NComm here or somewhere else, but it was
only an 11k file so I didn't bother Dloading it. I'll check it out though. It
sure would be nice to move up from 9600.....


[From    ] Donald Engstrom                  [REC'D] [MSG 11 OF 49]
[To      ] Myron Lieberman                  [Reply To 10]  [Has Reply 12]
[Date    ] Mon 28 Mar 94 11:18
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

Which version of NComm are you using? I'm using 2.0 and love it except not
being able to use my 14.4 modem.... I heard that 3.0 supports it so I'll check
that out....
                                  Don

[From    ] Donald Engstrom                  [REC'D] [MSG 12 OF 49]
[To      ] Myron Lieberman                  [Reply To 11]  [Has Reply 13]
[Date    ] Mon 28 Mar 94 11:23
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

Hah, I am using NComm 2.0 and under the baud rate options it jumps from 9600
to 19200. Am I missing something really obvious here?
 
                                 D

[From    ] Donald Engstrom                  [REC'D] [MSG 13 OF 49]
[To      ] James Elkinton                   [Reply To 12]  [Has Reply 14]
[Date    ] Mon 28 Mar 94 11:26
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

Hah, I didn't get too far with Terminus either! I'm actually using NComm 2.0,
I don't know how I got 1.2 into my head... Anyway, I've heard that NComm 3.0
will do the 14.4 thing so I may check that out. Then again, I also heard the
2.0 will do it too so maybe I am missing something.... Time to go pouring
through the docs again :(
                               Don

[From    ] Mike Austin                      [REC'D] [MSG 14 OF 49]
[To      ] Donald Engstrom                  [Reply To 13]  [Has Reply 15]
[Date    ] Mon 28 Mar 94 15:43
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

In a message dated Mon 28 Mar 94 11:23, Donald Engstrom wrote:

 DE> Hah, I am using NComm 2.0 and under the baud rate options it jumps
 DE> from 9600 to 19200. Am I missing something really obvious here?

You should set it to 19200, or even higher if you don't get any errors with
it.  If you set it to 14.4, data compression won't be able to speed up
transfers because of the bottleneck.  Most Amigans use 19.2, unless they have
a buffered serial port card, like GVPs (which I want to get!)



                                 cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Donald Engstrom                  [REC'D] [MSG 15 OF 49]
[To      ] Mike Austin                      [Reply To 14]  [Has Reply 16]
[Date    ] Mon 28 Mar 94 21:25
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

Hah, I had a feeling it was something simple! So I just set it to 19.2 and it
should work eh? Thanks for the help, I'll give it a try...
 
                                 Don

[From    ] Soren Goodman                    [REC'D] [MSG 16 OF 49]
[To      ] Donald Engstrom                  [Reply To 15]  [Has Reply 17]
[Date    ] Tue 29 Mar 94 19:23
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

In a message dated Mon 28 Mar 94 11:18, Donald Engstrom wrote:

 DE> Which version of NComm are you using? I'm using 2.0 and love it
 DE> except not being able to use my 14.4 modem.... I heard that 3.0
 DE> supports it so I'll check that out....
 DE>                                   Don

what? i have NComm 2.0 and have been using it w/ 14.4 since i got my modem..

[From    ] Soren Goodman                    [REC'D] [MSG 17 OF 49]
[To      ] Donald Engstrom                  [Reply To 16]  [Has Reply 19]
[Date    ] Tue 29 Mar 94 19:23
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

yeah, 2 things..1) 19200 is the same as 14.4 for ncomm and 2) if you type
AT\N3 (i think that's it, might be ATN3 or AT/N3) then the modem will connect
at the fastest possible speed no matter what NComm is set to..

[From    ] Mike Austin                      [MSG 18 OF 49]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Wed 30 Mar 94 16:07
[Subject ] PIPE

Anybody know where the PIPE program is for use with set _pchar?  I downloaded
the Fred Fish that supposed to had it, but it wasn't there...I guess I could
write it myself, but I hate parsing!


                                 cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Myron Lieberman                  [REC'D] [MSG 19 OF 49]
[To      ] Donald Engstrom                  [Reply To 17]  [Has Reply 20]
[Date    ] Thu 31 Mar 94  0:46
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

I am using ncomm 2.0 and have had no problems with its support of 14,400. It
does very well. 

[From    ] Myron Lieberman                  [REC'D] [MSG 20 OF 49]
[To      ] Donald Engstrom                  [Reply To 19]  [Has Reply 21]
[Date    ] Thu 31 Mar 94  0:47
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

Set the baud rate to 19,200. It will connect at the slowest speed           
(whichever modem is slowest-yours or the modem you are connecting with).  It
isn't a bad idea to set the baud rate at 19,200 even if you are using a slower
modem than 14,400 (although it may take slightly longer to check for the
faster speed first).

[From    ] John Jeffery                     [REC'D] [MSG 21 OF 49]
[To      ] Soren Goodman                    [Reply To 20]  [Has Reply 22]
[Date    ] Thu 31 Mar 94 23:15
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

 I too am a NComm 2.0 user with a 14.4, actually Supra also reccommened that I
use this program with their modem because they know it works. If your having
problems with it call up the Manufacter, I'm sure they have a tech support
line. I was having alittle trouble with my new 14.4 so I called Supra and told
them what program I ran and in less than two mins they solved the problem. Try
your tech support they might surprise you and actcually have the answer.

[From    ] John Waller                      [REC'D] [MSG 22 OF 49]
[To      ] Donald Engstrom                  [Reply To 21]  [Has Reply 23]
[Date    ] Fri  1 Apr 94 20:57
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

I do not know if the 68000 will be a handicap or not.  But any of the current
term programs handle 14.4, if they are the current version.  With NComm I have
gone as high as 19.2 with my ZyXel. NComm 3.0, Terminus, Term 3.4, are leading
programs, so you should have no problem, unless the 68000 creates it.

[From    ] John Waller                      [REC'D] [MSG 23 OF 49]
[To      ] Donald Engstrom                  [Reply To 22]  [Has Reply 24]
[Date    ] Fri  1 Apr 94 21:02
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

In a message dated Mon 28 Mar 94 11:18, Donald Engstrom wrote:

 DE> Which version of NComm are you using? I'm using 2.0 and love it
 DE> except not being able to use my 14.4 modem.... I heard that 3.0
 DE> supports it so I'll check that out....
 DE>                                   Don

That is strange, I use NComm 2.0, and 14.4 to 19.2 is no problem, with
appropriate modems on either end of course.  Are you sure you are linking up
to 14.4 modems???

[From    ] John Waller                      [REC'D] [MSG 24 OF 49]
[To      ] Donald Engstrom                  [Reply To 23]  [Has Reply 25]
[Date    ] Fri  1 Apr 94 21:06
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

In a message dated Mon 28 Mar 94 11:23, Donald Engstrom wrote:

 DE> Hah, I am using NComm 2.0 and under the baud rate options it jumps
 DE> from 9600 to 19200. Am I missing something really obvious here?

 DE>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                               YES

Your terminal setting merely determines the "maximum" speed of your modem.  If
you have a modern High Speed modem, it will automatically match the correct
Baud rate if it is less than your setting.  For example, I am set at 19,200,
but I have no problem logging on to 300 to 19.2 modems.  It also helps to set
'Handshaking' to RTS/CTS.  Good Luck...

[From    ] Donald Engstrom                  [REC'D] [MSG 25 OF 49]
[To      ] Soren Goodman                    [Reply To 24]  [Has Reply 26]
[Date    ] Sat  2 Apr 94 12:49
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

Ok, I finally got things straightened out... I was informed that to get NComm
to run at 14.4 all one has to do is set it at 19.9 and let it do its thing! I
of course was looking for a 14.4 setting in the baud rate menu and not finding
one. Live and learn.....
                                Don

[From    ] Donald Engstrom                  [REC'D] [MSG 26 OF 49]
[To      ] Myron Lieberman                  [Reply To 25]  [Has Reply 27]
[Date    ] Sat  2 Apr 94 12:53
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

Heh, me too now... I recently found out that to get 14.4 you enter 19.2 in the
baud rate menu. I, of course, was looking for 14.4 and not finding it. Live
and learn.....
                             Don

[From    ] Donald Engstrom                  [REC'D] [MSG 27 OF 49]
[To      ] Myron Lieberman                  [Reply To 26]  [Has Reply 28]
[Date    ] Sat  2 Apr 94 12:55
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

Yup, I got that ol' 14.4 thing figured out now boy oh boy. I did just what you
and others suggested and it works like a dream :) I of course was looking for
the 14.4 setting in the baud rate menu and not finding it. Thanks for the
help.
                            Don

[From    ] John Waller                      [REC'D] [MSG 28 OF 49]
[To      ] Donald Engstrom                  [Reply To 27]  [Has Reply 29]
[Date    ] Sat  9 Apr 94 12:12
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

Great, and you're welcome :)

[From    ] Paul Tibbals                     [REC'D] [MSG 29 OF 49]
[To      ] Donald Engstrom                  [Reply To 28]  [Has Reply 30]
[Date    ] Sat  9 Apr 94 23:11
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

Ncomm 1.9 supports it.  Actually you need a term that supports HIGHER than
14.4, lock the machine at 19,200 and use CTS/RTS.  To do this on a 68000
probably requires you run in 2 or 4 color mode.



[From    ] Donald Engstrom                  [REC'D] [MSG 30 OF 49]
[To      ] Paul Tibbals                     [Reply To 29]  [Has Reply 31]
[Date    ] Mon 11 Apr 94 22:35
[Subject ] Re: 14.4 term prog.

I'm using NComm2.0 with 8 colors and am having no problems.... Just about
everybody clued me in to bumping my baud up to 19.2..... I should have known
it was something simple. Thanks for the help.....
 
                              Don

[From    ] Ronald Sumandal                  [REC'D] [MSG 31 OF 49]
[To      ] Donald Engstrom                  [Reply To 30]  
[Date    ] Mon 18 Apr 94  0:26
[Subject ] n

NComm 2.0 should work at 14.4 just set rate at 19200
#



[From    ] Brian Finley                     [MSG 32 OF 49]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Sat 30 Apr 94  8:48
[Subject ] FDPro2 and Thrustmaster

OK, I've got myself a Thrustmaster FCS Joystick that I use on my clone at
"work".  I recently saw Fighter Duel Pro 2 supports it directly.  However, I'm
not quite sure if it's possibe.  I figured an analog adaptor would be
necessary, but the only one I've seen (from DigiPrint Inc) says the
Thrustmaster is wired differently then "normal" IBM analog joysticks, and is
therefore incompatible with the analog interface.  So what is needed?  Is
there a special Thrustmaster interface?  If anyone has a phone number, or
better yet a FAX number for Jeager Software, I'll give em a call and find out!
If FDPro2 is truly usable with the Thrustmaster, then I wanna buy it.  If not,
then I can wait...

[From    ] Jason Loxam                      [MSG 33 OF 49]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 34]
[Date    ] Sun  8 May 94 23:23
[Subject ] exec.library!!

Was just wondering (for a friend actually) where in the heck I could find the
exec.library for WB 1.3?  He can't find it anywhere, so any help would be
greatly appreciated!  Thank You in advance!

[From    ] Don Venhaus                      [REC'D] [MSG 34 OF 49]
[To      ] Jason Loxam                      [Reply To 33]  [Has Reply 48]
[Date    ] Fri 13 May 94 23:10
[Subject ] Re: exec.library!!

I believe the exec.library is in ROM. If you have ARTM you can see
where. The library base is stored in location 4. For whatever
it's worth.


[From    ] Larry Caudell                    [MSG 35 OF 49]
[To      ] Anyone                           [Has Reply 37]
[Date    ] Tue 17 May 94 17:42
[Subject ] BaudBandit

     I just got an A590 and I'm getting an error every time the modem
writes to it.  I'm using a supra fax modem V32bis with Baudbandit V1.5
and I don't get the errors if I download to ram.  Also I get an error when
the computer writes which is every 16000 which is the max buffer the
Preferences (1.3) will let me use.  The files come out just fine but it
slows my download speed way down due to error correction.  So if anyone
has any idea how to solve this please drop me a note.

[From    ] Hans Hansen                      [MSG 36 OF 49]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 39]
[Date    ] Tue 17 May 94 20:49
[Subject ] Looking for Fish CD on-line

Hi Jay and the rest of you Amiga addicts :)
  I'm looking for a BBS that has the Fish CD library on-line...  Can anyone
out
there help me?
 
  Thanks in advance :)
  Hans/Shamou

[From    ] Dirk Rokicki                     [REC'D] [MSG 37 OF 49]
[To      ] Larry Caudell                    [Reply To 35]  
[Date    ] Tue 17 May 94 23:22
[Subject ] Re: BaudBandit

Okay, yer first problem is that you have a 68000. You want yer max transfer to
be around 9600 with a 68000. Get an accellerator. Or drop yer transfer rate
down to 9600. You can't do 57.6 and write to the hard drive on a 68000, at
least you can't do it without it interfering with the transfer.

[From    ] Glen Kohler                      [MSG 38 OF 49]
[To      ] Moniterm Users                   
[Date    ] Wed 18 May 94 15:57
[Subject ] Making It Work

I recently acquired a Moniterm DTP monitor and a controller card.  And a
print-out of a startup script to make it work.  When I run the script I get an
error message to the effect that I don't have graphics.library V.35 or better.
Is there a kind-hearted Moniterm user out there who is willing to help me get
going?   I just completed a lengthy, lavishly illustrated course manual that
hard way; constantly changing magnifications and scrolling all over my 1084! 
I'll check back here for messages, and if anyone should care to call me at
home, the number is 510/540-0344.  Thanks-- Glen

[From    ] Kerry Hales                      [REC'D] [MSG 39 OF 49]
[To      ] Hans Hansen                      [Reply To 36]  [Has Reply 40]
[Date    ] Thu 19 May 94 19:33
[Subject ] Re: Looking for Fish CD on-line

this may be far out for you, but we will have the Frozen Fish CD online in Ut
very soon. The number is 801-773-7137. I will post agian as we are now waiting
for a new GVP SCSI card.

[From    ] Mike Austin                      [REC'D] [MSG 40 OF 49]
[To      ] Hans Hansen                      [Reply To 39]  [Has Reply 41]
[Date    ] Thu 19 May 94 22:06
[Subject ] Re: Looking for Fish CD on-line

   La Cantina (FAUG) has Fred Fish online...341-7566.


                                 cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Kerry Hales                      [REC'D] [MSG 41 OF 49]
[To      ] Mike Austin                      [Reply To 40]  [Has Reply 42]
[Date    ] Sat 21 May 94  8:15
[Subject ] Re: Looking for Fish CD on-line

Pleas leave area codes on all phone numbers... Not all of us live in
Califonia!! :)

[From    ] Paul Kienitz                     [REC'D] [MSG 42 OF 49]
[To      ] Hans Hansen                      [Reply To 41]  [Has Reply 43]
[Date    ] Sat 21 May 94 15:38
[Subject ] Re: Looking for Fish CD on-line

>   I'm looking for a BBS that has the Fish CD library on-line... 
 
FAUG has a Fish CD, and another CD too.  415-341-7566.  In the East Bay, I
think Terrapin Transit has a Fish CD.

[From    ] Mike Austin                      [REC'D] [MSG 43 OF 49]
[To      ] Kerry Hales                      [Reply To 42]  [Has Reply 44]
[Date    ] Sat 21 May 94 20:25
[Subject ] Re: Looking for Fish CD on-line

In a message dated Sat 21 May 94  8:15, Kerry Hales wrote:

 KH> Pleas leave area codes on all phone numbers... Not all of us live in
 KH> Califonia!! :)

415-341-7566

Aren't there any BBSs where you are???


                                 cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] John Waller                      [REC'D] [MSG 44 OF 49]
[To      ] Kerry Hales                      [Reply To 43]  [Has Reply 45]
[Date    ] Sun 22 May 94 22:08
[Subject ] Re: Looking for Fish CD on-line



In a message dated Sat 21 May 94  8:15, Kerry Hales wrote:

 KH> Pleas leave area codes on all phone numbers... Not all of us live in
 KH> Califonia!! :)


Or the same area code......

[From    ] Kerry Hales                      [REC'D] [MSG 45 OF 49]
[To      ] Mike Austin                      [Reply To 44]  
[Date    ] Tue 24 May 94  0:02
[Subject ] Re: Looking for Fish CD on-line

No, we just barely have phones here in Utah!! ;)
I just like to check new ones out..

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [MSG 46 OF 49]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Thu  9 Jun 94 22:56
[Subject ] A1200 PAL

     I've been using PAL as my default screen for my A4000 as it allows me to
use Magic WorkBench &ltwonderful!> without using interlace. But when I tried
switching my wife's A1200 to PAL it didn't work the same. The scan lines were
the same as in NTSC with the Workbench screen extending below the edge of the
screen. I have an old 1084 while she has the new 1084S. Any ideas? I'd really
like to put MagicWB on her system!
          Coz

[From    ] Glen Kohler                      [MSG 47 OF 49]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 49]
[Date    ] Thu  9 Jun 94 23:30
[Subject ] Telecom blues!

For some reason, I'm getting "CTS/RTS inactive" messages when I lauch
Terminus.  When I launch GPFax, it asks "where's the modem?" even though the
modem is turned on.  Well, CTS/RTS *is* turned on, according to my serial
editor in prefs.... any suggestions?  I can receive messages here, voice
messages at 510/845-8485, or e-mail on the Internet to gkohler@crl.com

[From    ] Glen Kohler                      [REC'D] [MSG 48 OF 49]
[To      ] Jason Loxam                      [Reply To 34]  
[Date    ] Thu  9 Jun 94 23:36
[Subject ] exec.library....

Jason:

I have that library on my system.  Give me a jingle at 510/845-8485 & leave a
message.  Or, send e-mail to gkohler@crl.com on the Internet.

[From    ] Paul Tibbals                     [REC'D] [MSG 49 OF 49]
[To      ] Glen Kohler                      [Reply To 47]  
[Date    ] Sat 11 Jun 94 18:14
[Subject ] Re: Telecom blues!

I have heard that some modem cables don't carry enough of the lines to "do"
CTS/RTS.  Older Macs also have this problem.  You should check that your
serial prefs are set correctly, and check that your modem's DIP switches don't
interfere with this.  (NO, NO, not the manual!  &ltgrin>)
 
PaulT

Searching areas: [3] [From    ] Myron Lieberman                  [MSG 1 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Sat  1 Jan 94  1:51
[Subject ] Happy New Year

Happy New Year.

[From    ] Kenneth Mygatt                   [MSG 2 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Sat  1 Jan 94 10:24
[Subject ] Amiga & Stuff

Amiga 2000HD 030/SVGA
 
ViewSonic 4e SVGA Monitor
Super Denise Chip (Hi Res)
ROM Switcher w/1.3 & 2.04
C= Flicker Fixer
GVP 68030 /22 Accellerator Board w/2 MEGs RAM (32 Bit)
-w/High Speed SCSI Port buffered through 030
GVP 8 MEG RAM Board w/6 MEGs installed
C= A2091 Hard Drive Controller w/6.6 ROMs and 2 MEGs RAM
Quantum 40 MEG SCSI Hard Drive w/little use
C= A3070 250 MEG Tape Backup (uses 6250 Tapes)
California Access External Floppy
--- $1400 includes TONS and TONS and TONS of software!
 
NEWTEK Video Digitizer w/stand, Panisonic Camera and Lights, Hardware/Software
---$90 and will throw in NewTek Transfer 24 and NewTek DigiPaint
 
Telebit WorldBlazer Modem
Telebit's top of the line! v.32bis/v.42bis/14.4/PEP/TurboPEP FAST!
--- $450
 
USRobotics Modems
USR Courier HST (2 of them)
--- $80 Each
USR Courier 2400 (2 of them)
--- $40 Each
 
Hewlett Packard PaintJet Color Printer (Retails still at $600+)
--- $300
 
SMC 10baseT 10 Port Ethernet Concentrator
--- Make Offer
 
Okidata Microline 182 Turbo Printer (small and fast)
--- $60
 
Wyse 50 Terminal
--- $50
 
BOSE 901's Series VI Acoustic Loud Speakers (TOP o'the line!) Year+ old.
--- $1500 new - will sell for $700
 
I will trade the above for a fast 486 VGA 100+ Meg HD VGA
Sun SparcStation or NeXT Cube or Slab
Reply @ 408.259.6501 or here...

[From    ] Kenneth Mygatt                   [REC'D] [MSG 3 OF 50]
[To      ] Brian Sholly                     
[Date    ] Sat  1 Jan 94 10:25
[Subject ] Re: Amiga 2000 etal

No, don't have a 1084 to replace it with... Sorry..

Ken


[From    ] Kenneth Mygatt                   [MSG 4 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Thu  6 Jan 94  3:23
[Subject ] Amiga etc..

Amiga 2000HD 030/SVGA
 
ViewSonic 4e SVGA Monitor
Super Denise Chip (Hi Res)
ROM Switcher w/1.3 & 2.04
C= Flicker Fixer
GVP 68030 /22 Accellerator Board w/2 MEGs RAM (32 Bit)
-w/High Speed SCSI Port buffered through 030
GVP 8 MEG RAM Board w/6 MEGs installed
C= A2091 Hard Drive Controller w/6.6 ROMs and 2 MEGs RAM
Quantum 40 MEG SCSI Hard Drive w/little use
C= A3070 250 MEG Tape Backup (uses 6250 Tapes)
California Access External Floppy
--- $1400 includes TONS and TONS and TONS of software!
 
NEWTEK Video Digitizer w/stand, Panisonic Camera and Lights, Hardware/Software
---$90 and will throw in NewTek Transfer 24 and NewTek DigiPaint
 
Telebit WorldBlazer Modem
Telebit's top of the line! v.32bis/v.42bis/14.4/PEP/TurboPEP FAST!
--- $450
 
USRobotics Modems
USR Courier HST (2 of them)
--- $80 Each
USR Courier 2400 (2 of them)
--- $40 Each
 
Hewlett Packard PaintJet Color Printer (Retails still at $600+)
--- $300
 
SMC 10baseT 10 Port Ethernet Concentrator
--- Make Offer
 
Okidata Microline 182 Turbo Printer (small and fast)
--- $60
 
Wyse 50 Terminal
--- $50
 
BOSE 901's Series VI Acoustic Loud Speakers (TOP o'the line!) Year+ old.
--- $1500 new - will sell for $700
 
I will trade the above for a fast 486 VGA 100+ Meg HD VGA
Sun SparcStation or NeXT Cube or Slab
Reply @ 408.259.6501 or here...

[From    ] Kenneth Mygatt                   [MSG 5 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 8]
[Date    ] Thu  6 Jan 94 10:41
[Subject ] New Amiga Price

Must Sell!!! Come on, guys! I'll take offers, lower the price, deal, barter!

Amiga 2000HD 030/SVGA
 
ViewSonic 4e SVGA Monitor
Super Denise Chip (Hi Res)
ROM Switcher w/1.3 & 2.04
C= Flicker Fixer
GVP 68030 /22 Accellerator Board w/2 MEGs RAM (32 Bit)
-w/High Speed SCSI Port buffered through 030
GVP 8 MEG RAM Board w/6 MEGs installed
C= A2091 Hard Drive Controller w/6.6 ROMs and 2 MEGs RAM
Quantum 40 MEG SCSI Hard Drive w/little use
C= A3070 250 MEG Tape Backup (uses 6250 Tapes)
California Access External Floppy

--- $1400 includes TONS and TONS and TONS of software!
--- $1100 w/o Tape Drive
--- $ 900 w/o Tape Drive and Monitor
--- $ 850 w/o Tape Drive and Monitor and External Floppy
 
NEWTEK Video Digitizer w/stand, Panisonic Camera and Lights, Hardware/Software
---$80 and will throw in NewTek Transfer 24 and NewTek DigiPaint
 
SOLD! Telebit WorldBlazer Modem
SOLD! Telebit's top of the line! v.32bis/v.42bis/14.4/PEP/TurboPEP FAST!
SOLD! --- $450
 
USRobotics Modems
USR Courier HST (2 of them)
--- $70 Each
USR Courier 2400 (2 of them)
--- $30 Each
 
Hewlett Packard PaintJet Color Printer (Retails still at $600+)
--- $275
 
SMC 10baseT 10 Port Ethernet Concentrator
--- Make Offer
 
Okidata Microline 182 Turbo Printer (small and fast)
--- $50
 
Wyse 50 Terminal
--- $50
 
BOSE 901's Series VI Acoustic Loud Speakers (TOP o'the line!) Year+ old.
--- $1500 new - will sell for $600
 
I will trade the above for a fast 486 VGA 100+ Meg HD VGA
Sun SparcStation or NeXT Cube or Slab
Reply @ 408.259.6501 or here...

[From    ] John Jeffery                     [MSG 6 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Tue 11 Jan 94  1:29
[Subject ] FREE... Yes, That's FREE

 FREE for the taking one film editor. This is perfect for that up an coming
film director or film editor. This machine will edit both 8mm and Super 8 in a
reel to reel format. Let me know if you want it.


[From    ] Bryan Cotton                     [MSG 7 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Tue 11 Jan 94 23:59
[Subject ] a500

I just want to get rid of it. 

A500 w/

1084s monitor
1 meg chip
1 meg fast
supra external drive
gvp sound sampler
2400 baud modem

Whatever price is clever, just let me know. But no stupid stuff like "$1".

[From    ] Soren Goodman                    [MSG 8 OF 50]
[To      ] Kenneth Mygatt                   [Reply To 5]  
[Date    ] Tue 18 Jan 94 17:05
[Subject ] Monitor


That's a multisync monitor, right? How much would you sell it for?

[From    ] Kerry Hales                      [MSG 9 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Tue  8 Feb 94  5:13
[Subject ] Amiga External AIR drive

I have an 880K AIR drive with 1 year old insides.  I need to sell it because I
bought a HD internal for my 1200.  I would sell it for $50 plus shipping AND
sell the 880 internal for a lousy $20.  Reply here if interested.

[From    ] Harvey Wong                      [MSG 10 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Sun 27 Feb 94 21:23
[Subject ] Amiga 1084 monitor for sale

Commodore Amiga 1084 monitor for sale.

     13" rgb monitor
         with rgb connector & RCA jacks in the back too.
                              (Great for plugging in a VCR
                               or a video game console.)



Asking $100 / best offer/ any interesting trades.
If interested call Harve at (408)738-4336 or leave e-mail.


p.s. It has the Toshiba picture tube but it's not the stereo model.

[From    ] Dirk Rokicki                     [MSG 11 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 15]
[Date    ] Mon 28 Feb 94 12:03
[Subject ] SCSI Controller Needed

     I need a SCSI controller for my A2k. The Perfect Periferals controller I
have doesn't have the support I need. I would prefer to have a GVP or an
A2091. Let me know.

[From    ] Dirk Rokicki                     [MSG 12 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Thu  3 Mar 94 11:48
[Subject ] A300T Wanted

     Does anyone out there have an Amiga 3000 Tower? I want one, and will take
it bare-bones. Even without memory, hard drive, whatnot, but the power supply,
motherboard, and case must be there. Let me know if you have an A3000T that
you are looking to sell to upgrade, or just have lying around.

     (Welcome Tomorrow)

     Dirk Rokicki

     415-328-2524


[From    ] Chris Gray                       [MSG 13 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Thu  3 Mar 94 21:30
[Subject ] for sale

Laser disc player with 12 laser discs : $400
with tv and amp : $500

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [MSG 14 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Wed  9 Mar 94 20:30
[Subject ] CD-ROM Drive Wanted

WANTED: Internal CD-ROM SCSI drive, ISO 9660, single-speed okay.  Will reward
you well.  Leave pvt msg & phone #.


[From    ] Kerry Hales                      [REC'D] [MSG 15 OF 50]
[To      ] Dirk Rokicki                     [Reply To 11]  
[Date    ] Fri 11 Mar 94  7:49
[Subject ] Re: SCSI Controller Needed

You might try Copperhead technolgies in New York.  The BBS number is:(518)
346-7532

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [MSG 16 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Sun 20 Mar 94 22:05
[Subject ] Misc Stuff Wanted



  AM LOOKING FOR:


  > CD-ROM drive, ISO 9660, internal, single-speed okay

  > Serial card for A2000

  > CSA program that fires up the MMR


  Have lots of fun hardware and software to swap with, let's talk.  Leave

private msg & phone #.  Do it soon, gonna be buying the drive and serial 

card at the end of the week if nothing comes up.

  - TBM


[From    ] Mike Austin                      [MSG 17 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Fri  1 Apr 94 15:36
[Subject ] SAS 5.10b

I've upgraded to SAS 6.50, and the guys at SAS said that you can sell your
old versions of the compiler.  You will not be able to upgrade or get
technical support, but it's a damn good compiler.  You can use it for just
ANSI C, or do fully intuition programs.  I paid about $250 for it, but I
upgraded it so I can't charge that much for it...do I hear $50?  It has
full documentation, disks, and I'll throw in some extras.  Make an offer.

                                        Mike
                                        cman@netcom.com
                                        415-780-9434
 


                                 cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Harvey Wong                      [MSG 18 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Sat  2 Apr 94 10:38
[Subject ] Star 9-pin printer for $55/best offer

Star Micronics NX-1000 II printer for sale

  o  9-pin dot matrix
  o  180 cps draft
  o  45  cps near letter quality
  o  emulates Epson LX-800 and IBM Proprinter II
  o  original box & manuals

Asking $55 or best offer.

If interested, e-mail me or call (408)738-4336 and ask for Harve.


[From    ] Jeff Colon                       [MSG 19 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Mon  4 Apr 94  5:55
[Subject ] 2286 Bridgeboard

For sale: 2286 1 meg BridgeBoard. Comes with 80287 FPU,  5.25" 1.2 meg floppy
drive and 
a 1.5meg DRAM xpansion board.
 
             $75.00 obo...
415-364-9191

[From    ] Dirk Rokicki                     [MSG 20 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Thu 14 Apr 94  2:25
[Subject ] A2k Loaded

I have the following for sale:

     Amiga 2000 with the following:
          Microbotics HardFrame SCSI Controler
          100meg Connor SCSI hard drive
          8-UP! ram expansion card, fully populated, but limited to 
               6 megs while using BridgeBoard
          A2320 Video Enhancer (Flicker Fixer)
          A2286 BridgeBoard with 2.24megs ram 
          68030*25 with 50mhz MathCo
          SyQuest 44meg removable 5.25 mass media drive.
          3.5 High Density floppy drive for the BridgeBoard

     Call Dirk Rokicki at 415-325-8863. 

     All this for $750!!


[From    ] Jeff Colon                       [MSG 21 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Fri 29 Apr 94  2:49
[Subject ] 2286

For Sale: 2286 BridgeBoard 1meg of ram. $75.00 OBO. Phone (415)364-9191 or
leave E-Mail.

[From    ] Harvey Wong                      [MSG 22 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Fri 29 Apr 94 20:46
[Subject ] USRobotics Dual Standard External Modem--$140/best offer

USRobotics Dual Standard External Modem:

     (*)  Actually an HST with the Rockwell V.32 module added
             /*  which makes it a Dual Standard  */

     o   Maximum speed of 38,400 bps with V42bis data compression
     o   Supports 14,400 bps HST protocol
                   9,600 bps V.32 protocol
     o   Includes original box and manuals
     o   Works great


Asking $140/best offer/trade

If interested call Harve at (408)738-4336 or leave e-mail.

[From    ] Carl Demelo                      [MSG 23 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Fri  6 May 94 15:55
[Subject ] Wanted A3000

Anyone selling an A3000? Let me know

Carl

[From    ] Todd Wheeler                     [MSG 24 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Tue 10 May 94 22:25
[Subject ] GOV AUCTIONS GUIDE

                                   GOVERNMENT AUCTIONS 
 
Here are a few actual eye-popping examples:
 
A 3-bedroom home sold for only $100.00
A luxury boat (Valued at $50,000.00) recently sold for only $50.00
A 1989 Cadillac Sedan Deville sold for only $500.00
A 1988 Mercedes 2-dr. coup sold for only $800.00
A 19" color TV/set sold for only $25.00
A like-new Rolex watch sold for only $400.00
A personal computer sold for only $49.00
 
  And the list goes on and on.
 
If requesting more than one info packet please send only one LONG S.A.S.E.
for all requested packets ,but please indicate all packets requested.
 
For your free info packet send a LONG S.A.S.E. to:
 
                                 DSW Marketing
                                 810 Oak Street
                                 Manistee, MI 49660-2010
 
/s

[From    ] Todd Wheeler                     [MSG 25 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 30]
[Date    ] Tue 10 May 94 22:26
[Subject ] GOV GRANTS GUIDE

                       HOW TO RECEIVE FREE U.S. GOVERNMENT GRANTS! 
                                FREE MONEY FROM UNCLE SAM!
   Could you use some FREE MONEY from the U.S. Treasury that you will
NEVER have to pay back? YES, it's true! Billions of dollars in free money
is available from the U. S. government, and various public and private
foundations.
 
Here's just a few examples:
 
A Los Angeles man receives over one million dollars from Uncle Sam so
that he can make toys and games and export them to foreign countries.
 
Two friends in Arizona receive a $160,000 grant so they can hire nine
more employees for their Phoenix restaurant.
 
A young man in San Francisco claims a $25,000 grant to produce a film.
 
An Austin, Texas lady accepts a $7,000 grant to organize a dance production.
 
A Chicago company receives $162,000 to make pianos and other
musical equipment.
 
A New Orleans inventor receives $70,000 so he can start manufacturing
a new water heater that he invented in his garage.
 
A St. Paul, Minnesota woman gets $16,000 to start a novelty
mail-order business.
 
An Illinois college student receives $10,000 to go towards his tuition.
 
A Gloucester, Massachusetts couple receives over $300,000 in cash grants
from the U.S. Government and several non-profit organizations to start a
teenage community center.
 
If requesting more than one info packet please send only one LONG S.A.S.E.
for all requested packets ,but please indicate all packets requested.
 
For your free info packet send a LONG S.A.S.E. to:
 
                                 DSW Marketing
                                 810 Oak Street
                                 Manistee, MI 49660-2010
 
/s

[From    ] Todd Wheeler                     [MSG 26 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 34]
[Date    ] Tue 10 May 94 22:26
[Subject ] HOMEWORKERS GUIDE

                                HOMEWORKERS NEEDED NOW !! 
 
                     EARN $300.00, $500.00 OR EVEN $1,000 PER WEEK,
               PERFORMING EASY ASSEMBLY OR CLERICAL WORK IN YOUR HOME! ...
                                       GUARANTEED!
 
A VARIETY Of WORK AVAlLABLE
 There are numerous companies offering a variety of clerical work
and products that need to be assembled.
Here are just a few examples of the opportunities now available.
Envelope Stuffing Mail Processing Cloth Flowers
Toys and Gifts     Tote Bags        Newspaper Clippings
Stuffed Animals    Clowns           Telephone Marketing Research
Christmas Wreaths  Sewing           Electronic Components
Baby Bibs          Plant Hangers    Wood Products
Hand Paintings     Beaded Earrings  Public Opinion Polls
Jewelry            Computer Work    Product Testing
Below are just a few very brief descriptions of the type of assembly
and clerical work available:
 
--&gtEarn up to $85,000 yearly making table pads!  Easy-to-follow
instructions provided and no experience necessary.
--&gtMake Christmas Wreaths and earn $30,000 OR MORE per year!
The best part is ... you only WORK 2-3 MONTHS EVERY YEAR!
All instructions are provided.
--&gtSew baby bibs in the comfort of your own home. This company pays for all
shipping plus up to $341.04 weekly for finished products!
--&gtStuff envelopes at home for international companies and earn up
to $2,500/week GUARANTEED!
--&gtMake doll hair from the materials ,supplied by this company, and
they will pay you as much as $450.00 a week for completed work!
--&gtEarn $200 a day making bunk beds! No experience necessary.
This company will supply you with all the information you need.
--&gtClip Newspapers and earn up to $300.00 per week!
No investment or experience is required.
 
If requesting more than one info packet please send only one LONG S.A.S.E.
for all requested packets ,but please indicate all packets requested.
 
For your free info packet send a LONG S.A.S.E. to:
 
                                 DSW Marketing
                                 810 Oak Street
                                 Manistee, MI 49660-2010
 
/s

[From    ] Todd Wheeler                     [MSG 27 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Tue 10 May 94 22:26
[Subject ] MAKE MONEY AT HOME

                       HOW TO STAY HOME AND MAKE OVER $100 A DAY!! 
 
Here are just a few examples of the hundreds of companies
we have listed for you:
 
-> A company in Illinois that will show you how to make $96.00 an hour
from home making promotional buttons for a wide variety of functions.
-> A company in Wisconsin that will teach you their trade secrets
and help you make up to $1000.00 in a single day refinishing
furniture from your home.  Its not hard once you learn how to do
it, and the profits are AMAZING!!!
-> A company in Florida that will train you to make between $500
and $2500 each week assembling cypress clocks from your home.
They are so beautiful and your profits will be beautiful too!
-> A company in Illinois that will train you to do a new sewing
method that they have developed that will enable you to earn up
to $10 an hour from the privacy of your own home.  This isn't for
everyone, but, if you like to sew, why not get paid for doing it?
-> A company in Indiana that will train you to make $10,000 or
more every month with your computer at home.  If you don't
have a computer, they will give you one!  They need your help NOW!!
-> A company in Ohio that will train you to make $30 to $50 per
hour using an amazing new restoration process that they have developed.
-> A company in Rhode Island that will help you make between
$150 and $300 per day from home with their special learning techniques.
-> A company in New York that will train you to make up to $40 an
hour or more from home helping local businessmen with their
advertising.  A valuable service that will pay you handsomely!
-> A company in Alabama that will work with you and train you to
make up to $5000 a month or more from home recording VCR tapes.
 
If requesting more than one info packet please send only one LONG S.A.S.E.
for all requested packets ,but please indicate all packets requested.
 
For your free info packet send a LONG S.A.S.E. to:
 
                                 DSW Marketing
                                 810 Oak Street
                                 Manistee, MI 49660-2010
 
/s

[From    ] Todd Wheeler                     [MSG 28 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Tue 10 May 94 22:27
[Subject ] STOP PAYING RENT

                               l'LL SHOW YOU EXACTLY HOW TO 
                                 STOP PAYING RENT FOREVER
                             AND MOVE INTO YOUR DREAM HOME
                                   FOR AS LOW AS $1.00
 
                                    GUARANTEED!!!
 
REPOSSESSED Homes in your area from the Government for Only $1.00
 plus repairs/taxes!
 
  Early orders will also receive a free report that will show you a
LITTLE KNOWN, easy to understand, LEGAL financial trick your banker
DOES NOT want you to know that will cut your mortgage in half!
 
If requesting more than one info packet please send only one LONG S.A.S.E.
for all requested packets ,but please indicate all packets requested.
 
For your free info packet send a LONG S.A.S.E. to:
 
                                 DSW Marketing
                                 810 Oak Street
                                 Manistee, MI 49660-2010
 
/s

[From    ] Todd Wheeler                     [MSG 29 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 47]
[Date    ] Tue 10 May 94 22:27
[Subject ] MAKE MONEY WITH YOUR PC

                                    HOW TO MAKE MONEY 
                                    AT HOME WITH YOUR
                                    PERSONAL COMPUTER
 
EARN $1,000 WEEKLY with your PC! Begin NOW!
 
 If you're looking for the ideal home money-making activity for the 1990's,
this will be the most important letter you've ever read.
 
 Although there are hundreds of ways to make money at home,
many respected home money-making experts have rated this
opportunity to be the #1 home money-maker of them all ...
 
If requesting more than one info packet please send only one LONG S.A.S.E.
for all requested packets ,but please indicate all packets requested.
 
For your free info packet send a LONG S.A.S.E. to:
 
                                 DSW Marketing
                                 810 Oak Street
                                 Manistee, MI 49660-2010
 
/s

[From    ] Jay Miner                        [MSG 30 OF 50]
[To      ] Todd Wheeler                     [Reply To 25]  [Has Reply 32]
[Date    ] Wed 11 May 94  3:50
[Subject ] Re: GOV GRANTS GUIDE

Whaaaaat the heck is a "long S.A.E." OR WHATEVER. ??????

                   Jay Miner (Padre) 8^)### 
         Let's use public messages whenever possible!

[From    ] Jay Miner                        [MSG 31 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 33]
[Date    ] Wed 11 May 94  3:58
[Subject ] POTENTIAL SCAM

All these mesages from Tod Wheeler about how you can get somethng for nothing
sound very familliar to me. There are MANY "work at home" scams going around
and this mey be one of them. 

DO NOT SEND MONEY TO THIS COMPANY, NO MATTER HOW GOOD THEY MAKE IT SOUND.  If
they realy want you to work fo them, they cn send YOU money. 

                   Jay Miner (Padre) 8^)### 
         Let's use public messages whenever possible!

[From    ] Mike Austin                      [MSG 32 OF 50]
[To      ] Todd Wheeler                     [Reply To 30]  [Has Reply 36]
[Date    ] Wed 11 May 94 13:07
[Subject ] Re: GOV GRANTS GUIDE

So that's where out debt goes...

#B^)


                                 cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Soren Goodman                    [REC'D] [MSG 33 OF 50]
[To      ] Jay Miner                        [Reply To 31]  [Has Reply 35]
[Date    ] Wed 11 May 94 15:26
[Subject ] Re: POTENTIAL SCAM

possibly...except that he isn't asking for any money, or at least the
companies aren't...this is just free information how you can do this stuff..

[From    ] John Waller                      [MSG 34 OF 50]
[To      ] Todd Wheeler                     [Reply To 26]  [Has Reply 41]
[Date    ] Wed 11 May 94 19:38
[Subject ] Re: HOMEWORKERS GUIDE

Sadly, these are all misleading or downright fraudulent.  Many consumer groups
have tried to research them and found nothing worth writing about. For
example, envelope stuffing??  There is no way that can be done cheaper at home
than with a machine.......
Some time back I ran across an ad about assembling clowns at home, I called
the BBB in the town where they were located, bad rep.  If an offer appears to
ggod to be true, it is.  In some cases you can make money assembling
something, BUT, the cost of doing it nearly wipes you out.  They do not tell
you that you have to buy the supplies from them, plus you are not on wage. 
You sell back to them at THEIR discretion.  If they do not like your work,
they do not buy, or they will buy back at a reduced cost to "get it off your
hands".

You can make money at home, but like everything it requires hard work.  After
all, if it was so easy, wouldn't most people be occupied this way?? And if so,
there would be a glut on the market.  You can sell only just so many bibs, or
wreaths, etc.

Some one once replied to one of the letter stuffing ads.  They received a
letter telling them to send in $10 for full info.  Being curious they did, 
what they got were instructions to place ads in the local paper asking people
if they wanted to make money stuffing envelopes!

[From    ] John Waller                      [REC'D] [MSG 35 OF 50]
[To      ] Jay Miner                        [Reply To 33]  [Has Reply 37]
[Date    ] Wed 11 May 94 19:56
[Subject ] I agree

I agree wholeheartedly.....

     Stuffing envelopes?
     Sewing bibs??
     
These are things that have been automated for so long that who would pay
anyone to stuff envelopes???

[From    ] John Jeffery                     [REC'D] [MSG 36 OF 50]
[To      ] Jay Miner                        [Reply To 32]  [Has Reply 40]
[Date    ] Wed 11 May 94 23:08
[Subject ] Re: GOV GRANTS GUIDE

It stands for Self Address Stamped Envelope. 

[From    ] John Jeffery                     [REC'D] [MSG 37 OF 50]
[To      ] Soren Goodman                    [Reply To 35]  [Has Reply 38]
[Date    ] Wed 11 May 94 23:11
[Subject ] Re: POTENTIAL SCAM

 Then why doesn't he just post how to do it? If he's willing to tell you how
to do it for free then he would have u/led it. 

[From    ] Jay Miner                        [REC'D] [MSG 38 OF 50]
[To      ] Soren Goodman                    [Reply To 37]  [Has Reply 39]
[Date    ] Thu 12 May 94  1:38
[Subject ] Re: POTENTIAL SCAM

They havent assked for money yet, bet they do if you try to follow it up!!!!

                   Jay Miner (Padre) 8^)### 
         Let's use public messages whenever possible!

[From    ] Bob Dyer                         [REC'D] [MSG 39 OF 50]
[To      ] Jay Miner                        [Reply To 38]  [Has Reply 43]
[Date    ] Thu 12 May 94 14:56
[Subject ] Re: POTENTIAL SCAM

Put the money in an envelope & send it to me!  I've been unemployed for 3
years. (8^)
 
                                        Bob Dyer
 
                                            address available on request


                                               {----}  {----}  {----}
                                               |    |  |    |  |    |
                                               |____|  |    |  |____|
                                               |    |  |    |  |    |
                                               |____}  |____}  |____}

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 40 OF 50]
[To      ] Jay Miner                        [Reply To 36]  
[Date    ] Thu 12 May 94 23:44
[Subject ] Re: GOV GRANTS GUIDE

 "Self-Addressed, Stamped Envelope", Jay. 8^)  How ARE ya???
          Coz

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [MSG 41 OF 50]
[To      ] Todd Wheeler                     [Reply To 34]  [Has Reply 42]
[Date    ] Thu 12 May 94 23:46
[Subject ] Re: HOMEWORKERS GUIDE

     The key phrase in the previous message is:
     "Earn UP TO..."
     ...or a lot less than...
          Coz

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 42 OF 50]
[To      ] John Waller                      [Reply To 41]  
[Date    ] Thu 12 May 94 23:47
[Subject ] Re: HOMEWORKERS GUIDE

     Reminds me of the ad "How I Make Money at Home" for only $10. Ya receive
a photocopied document telling you to put an ad in some paper saying "How I
Make Money at Home".
          Coz

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 43 OF 50]
[To      ] Jay Miner                        [Reply To 39]  [Has Reply 44]
[Date    ] Thu 12 May 94 23:50
[Subject ] Re: POTENTIAL SCAM

     I have this picture in my mind of a grey-bearded gentleman rising up in
wrath to smite the wicked. Geeze, is this a religious vision? Did Michelangelo
paint a pic of Jay on the Sistine Chapel? I shudder to think of the
implications. I just KNOW that Gould and Ali are going straight to the Pit!!!
          Coz 8^D

[From    ] Paul Kienitz                     [REC'D] [MSG 44 OF 50]
[To      ] Soren Goodman                    [Reply To 43]  [Has Reply 48]
[Date    ] Fri 13 May 94 23:58
[Subject ] Re: POTENTIAL SCAM

> possibly...except that he isn't asking for any money, or at least the
> companies aren't...this is just free information how you can do this stuff..
 
They always come on initially with "free information", then if you follow it
up you get to the part where, if you only pay THEM this many dollars NOW, you
can have huge profits later...

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [MSG 45 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Sat 14 May 94 14:45
[Subject ] HP Gig Drive For Sale


  Two nice items for sale:

  > Hewlett-Packard C2247M 1-Gig drive, almost new, asking $700.  

  > 700 Sony 2DD floppy disks, my board's backup files.  Going to be 
    getting a tape drive soon, so might as well let these go.  For a 
    complete listing of what's on them, just list the 5,000 files on 
    my board and it's everything up to about six months ago.  Also
    included are a number of my `private' files.  All things consid-
    ered, could be quite the little deal.  Asking $300.

  Please leave private message.

  Thanks!

[From    ] Larry Caudell                    [MSG 46 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Tue 17 May 94 17:52
[Subject ] Frame Grabber

     I just bought a Frame Grabber at the HT sale and it's got a 9-pin out
and in.  The in is no problem since you can buy the cable anywhere.  The
problem is that I've got an older 1084S which use's the 6-pin din type
connector.  The Frame Grabber manual said it came with one but since I got
it used with out the box I didn't get it.  I was just going to build a
cable but the pin outs are the same.  And since Prog. Preh. is out of
business I can't call and get one from them.  So if anyone know's where I
can get one or has got one just laying around you can spare please drop me
a note.


                                             Larry Caudell


[From    ] Asher Feldman                    [MSG 47 OF 50]
[To      ] Todd Wheeler                     [Reply To 29]  
[Date    ] Wed 18 May 94 18:08
[Subject ] Re: MAKE MONEY WITH YOUR PC

Someone get rid of this guy!


[From    ] Chris Nichols                    [REC'D] [MSG 48 OF 50]
[To      ] Soren Goodman                    [Reply To 44]  
[Date    ] Tue 24 May 94 20:58
[Subject ] Re: POTENTIAL SCAM

'In a message dated Wed 11 May 94 15:26, Soren Goodman wrote:

 SG> possibly...except that he isn't asking for any money, or at least the
 SG> companies aren't...this is just free information how you can do this
 SG> stuff..
 
 I hope you really don't believe that! You think he just wants to help you? I
have a bridge I have been wanting to sell...........
 
 Chris

[From    ] Dirk Rokicki                     [MSG 49 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Wed  8 Jun 94 15:13
[Subject ] FOR SALE!!!

     DEALS!! DEALS!! DEALS!!


     FOR SALE

     Emergency Liquidation!!


     Housing costs have just cought up with me, 
     So I am selling my A2000. 
     Check out the prices!!


     Amiga 2000            
          (Super Agnus)  $200
     C= Flicker Fixer       $ 50
     C= 2286 BridgeBoard    $ 75
     GVP D
[From    ] Dirk Rokicki                     [MSG 50 OF 50]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Wed 15 Jun 94 22:54
[Subject ] SALE!! SALE!!

I still have the following items for sale:



     HARDWARE

$200     Sony 13" Trinitron SFP Color Multi-Scan monitor
                                                       $200

$100     Commodore 13" 1084s Color Monitor
                                        $100

$ 75     Commodore A2286 286 Bridgeboard with 2.25 megs of RAM
    
$ 75     GVP DSS-8+ stereo 8-bit sampler with DSS software and 
                                      real-time delay/echo effects            

$ 75     Viva! 14.4 Data/Fax modem v.32 v.42

$ 50     GE 2-head stereo VHS VCR

$ 50     Sony 150-wat STR-AV 560 with 10-station preset, video and 
               audio editing functions, and control outputs for tape,
               CD player, and turntable 



     SOFTWARE

$ 40     Real-3D rendering software

$ 15     Epic (starflight simulator game)




     If you are interested in any of the above, call me at 415-328-2524. Ask
for Dirk. Either that or mail me here. Discounts for multiple items.

     (Welcome Tomorrow)

     Dirk Rokicki


Searching areas: [4] [From    ] Dirk Rokicki                     [REC'D] [MSG 4
OF 53]
[To      ] John Waller                      [Has Reply 8]
[Date    ] Sun  1 May 94  3:35
[Subject ] Re: CBM

Kindly phrase this correctly.

     Commodore is Dead, Long Live The Amiga.


[From    ] Rick Lembree                     [MSG 5 OF 53]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 6]
[Date    ] Sun  1 May 94 15:21
[Subject ] strange how CBM still picks up...

Isn't a tad strange that a company just having been liquidated still allows
its phones to pick up, give messages and allow you to leave voicemail to any
division or individual?

Just called. Left a message with marketing...

Can you say "press release" rumor?

I knew you could...

I may be wrong, but the more digging I do, the more suspect the "release"
sounds...

[From    ] Kerry Hales                      [MSG 6 OF 53]
[To      ] Rick Lembree                     [Reply To 5]  [Has Reply 15]
[Date    ] Sun  1 May 94 17:05
[Subject ] Re: strange how CBM still picks up...

hOW STRANGE!  I just read an official release that says C+ is NOT filling
bankruptcy.  I am calling Jeff (ummmm last name escapes me) in marketing and
asking the truth!  The press is anti-American business and computer press is
controlled by Intel/Bill "SATAN"Gates and Microsoft.

Lets all NOT PANIC HERE FOLKS!!!

[From    ] Kerry Hales                      [REC'D] [MSG 7 OF 53]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 2]  [Has Reply 9]
[Date    ] Sun  1 May 94 17:09
[Subject ] Re: CBM Liquidates

Is the OFFICIAL NOTICE from Commodore??  Are you a stock holder?  I am and I
have had no news from the front office.  This may be the Biggest hoax since
Paul died!

[From    ] Kerry Hales                      [REC'D] [MSG 8 OF 53]
[To      ] Joe Carp                         [Reply To 4]  [Has Reply 12]
[Date    ] Sun  1 May 94 17:11
[Subject ] Re: CBM

Lets assume the worst and play the scenerio out, then:

A: Someone buys the rights to the Amiga tecnology. Hell, it happened once, why
not again.  Major players are HP and SOny and Sega.

B: No one buys the rights and they are sold as public domain.  Not likely.

C: Current AGA technolgy is good for three or more years gien the lifespan of
ealier computers.  Your milage may differ.

D: The employees buy the controlling interest along with other persons willing
to risk it all.  Possible.

E.  This is the biggest farce since Columbus discovered the world IS actually
flat.

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 9 OF 53]
[To      ] Kerry Hales                      [Reply To 7]  [Has Reply 16]
[Date    ] Sun  1 May 94 19:50
[Subject ] Re: CBM Liquidates

     I hope you are right. You may not have received a notice because no one
has made the effort yet. You are quite right, though I got it from a dealer
who has been in contact. 
          Coz

[From    ] Dirk Rokicki                     [MSG 10 OF 53]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Sun  1 May 94 23:32
[Subject ] C=/CBM/C= Int. News

     This just off the front. It seems that C= is truley dead. I just got off
the phone with a friend of mine from C=. C= is IN FACT defunked. There are 8
contending companies bidding for the technologies represented by the ECS, AA+,
AAA, and AGA chipsets. It would appear that most likely to continue the Amiga
line is HP. It appears that there is about a 40% chance that the Amiga will
dissapear alltogether. There is a further 30% chance that the newer chipsets
may appear in latter systems by such producers as Sega, the remaining 20%
going to the possibility that the Amiga line will continue to be produced by a
more able company, like HP. Do not over-react as yet. It will be a month or
two before it is known exactly what will happen with the technologies brought
forth through the Amiga line. Please be patient, and I will keep my eyes open,
and keep asking questions, but not inventing the answers. Rumors are what can
kill this machine, not help it live a little longer.

     M.A.E.S.A
          (Me Amiga Est Su Amiga)

     Dirk James Gerhard Rokicki



[From    ] Paul Puey                        [MSG 11 OF 53]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Thu  5 May 94  1:35
[Subject ] *** SAVE THE AMIGA ***

For those of you that don't know.  Many of us Amiga users are making
a strong drive to push the Amiga back into the market.  Several 3rd
party companies such as Utilities Unlimited and GVP are banding in
an attempt to purchase the rights to the Amiga chipset and software.
Even if this fails, companies have to be urged to continue the
development of and for the Amiga line of computer.  What we as users
can do is to write letters to the various hardware and software
developers urging them to support the Amiga despite Commodore's
downfall.  Let it be known that we want the Amiga supported, not
Commodore.
.
I am personally compiling a petition of all Amiga users in the world
which I will be sending with my letters to various developers.
If you would like (PLEASE) to be included in this petition/mailing list,
email me with the subject "mail list" and include your
full name and full POSTAL address.  To further encourage the
development of/for the Amiga, PLEASE, write some letters.  You'd be
amazed at how effective letters are in making companys' decisions
.
For a listing of addresses of developers to write to, email either me
or KDH2074@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU (Kevin).  We will soon have a list of
non-Amiga developers that we can all write to to encourage ports of
their current software.
.
For those of you that wish to write but don't want to leave your Amiga
alone for a second, email me your letter in business letter format and
I will print it out myself on an HP Laserjet and mail it myself.  I'll
even pay postage.  Please be sure to clearly state in your letter the
company that you are writing the letter to, and your complete postal
return address so that I can put that on the envelope too.  I don't think
it would look good to have tons of letters sent to one company with
only my return address.  Please support the Amiga as she's still very
alive and well.  Especially with Commodore out of the way.
.
Remember:
1) email me your name and postal address for the mailing list
2) write some letters
3) buy amiga products
.
Thank you all that have already emailed me for the mailing list
Amiga Forever
.
Paul V Puey             /\  _____  _  _____  _____ 4000/040
Electrical Engineering /__\(_ _ _\( \(  ___)(  __ \ Now THIS
and Computer Science  / __ \\ \ \ \\ \\ \__ \\  __ \ is Power!
at UC Berkeley USA   (_/  \_)\_\_\_)\_)\_____)\_\ \_)
.
pvpuey@cory.EECS.berkeley.EDU   pvpuey@shell.portal.com

For those of you that wish, you can call me at 415-588-4114.  If I'm not
home, please leave a message with your name and address and I'll include
you in the list.

[From    ] Scott Thomas                     [REC'D] [MSG 12 OF 53]
[To      ] Paul Kienitz                     [Reply To 8]  [Has Reply 13]
[Date    ] Thu  5 May 94  2:43
[Subject ] Re: CBM

In a message dated Sat 30 Apr 94 12:31, Paul Kienitz wrote:

 PK> The big question is, of course, whether those who buy the liquidated
 PK> assets want to make any Amiga-like products.  If so this might
 PK> actually be a blessing.  If not, then........   well, I bought two
 PK> Amigas and got three good years out of each one, and they made life
 PK> more pleasant than it would have been if I'd bought the clones
 PK> available at the time.
 
The networks are buzzing with rumors about large transfers of product just
before the liquidation into Canada... And about who might buy the assets. It's
just hard for me to believe that Atari is still around and are doing
television advertising!... Jay, I'm sure you cringe at the thought but... what
if Atari had bought Amiga? I'm sure the outcome would not have been as bright.
And I do mean bright. I have had 6 great years with the AMiga and I'm still
learning. I'm just starting to sit down and learn C programing. There is a guy
who is looking at buying an A4000 on FidoNet. He plans on keeping the machine
into the next century and would be spending $4K. That's dedication!

[From    ] John Waller                      [REC'D] [MSG 13 OF 53]
[To      ] Dirk Rokicki                     [Reply To 12]  [Has Reply 14]
[Date    ] Thu  5 May 94 20:16
[Subject ] Re: CBM

Only time will tell.......



But I will not hold my breath........





I hope so, I have no where else to go......





But I will not hold my breath........

[From    ] John Waller                      [REC'D] [MSG 14 OF 53]
[To      ] Dirk Rokicki                     [Reply To 13]  
[Date    ] Thu  5 May 94 20:29
[Subject ] Re: CBM

You must not be familiar with this phrase "The Amiga is Dead, Long Live the
Amiga." I gave it the right rendering.  :) Think about what it is saying.

The phrase is not original with me, I just replaced the original word with
'Amiga'. :)  The original phrase is used at an event that is similar to what
has happened here.  Admittedly it is an event that does not occur in the US :)

Try to savor it and note the contradiction.  It is a statement of optimism,
especially since it has not been fulfilled yet.......

[From    ] John Waller                      [MSG 15 OF 53]
[To      ] Rick Lembree                     [Reply To 6]  
[Date    ] Thu  5 May 94 20:36
[Subject ] Re: strange how CBM still picks up...

Why is it strange??? They are in liquidation, they did not flee the
country.....

[From    ] John Waller                      [REC'D] [MSG 16 OF 53]
[To      ] Kerry Hales                      [Reply To 9]  [Has Reply 17]
[Date    ] Thu  5 May 94 20:38
[Subject ] Re: CBM Liquidates

In a message dated Sun  1 May 94 17:09, Kerry Hales wrote:

 KH> Is the OFFICIAL NOTICE from Commodore??  Are you a stock holder?  I
 KH> am and I have had no news from the front office.  This may be the
 KH> Biggest hoax since Paul died!

S-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-g-h, I suppose the next thing you will tell us is that JFK
is not living in the Bahamas, but that he had been assasinated while
President.....

[From    ] Joe Carp                         [REC'D] [MSG 17 OF 53]
[To      ] John Waller                      [Reply To 16]  
[Date    ] Thu  5 May 94 23:52
[Subject ] Re: CBM Liquidates

In a message dated Thu  5 May 94 20:38, John Waller wrote:

 JW> that JFK is not living in the Bahamas, but that he had been
 JW> assasinated while President.....

Nah, he's out babe hunting with Elvis, stopping at every 7-11 they come across
for a strawberry slurpie. :-)

I'm not a shareholder, but like marriage, the spouse is the last to know.

   -Joe


[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [MSG 18 OF 53]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Sat  7 May 94 19:26
[Subject ] Been a little busy

You have dialed X and reached an ad for...

                        
                       THE BENCH//\/\\ASTER'S BBS   

             New Software!                 New 28.8 Modem!   
                                              
                                New Gig            
    New Computer!               Drive!               New CD-ROM!   
                                      
                    Great Scott!  New Everything!!   
                           


  Well, made a few changes around the ol' ranch, thought I'd bring y'all
up to date, in case you're interested:

  > Am using, as far as I know, the fastest BBS software on the planet.  
    Average 14.4 download rates are 1600-1800+.

  > Three phone lines, 1200 baud to Hayes 28.8 V.FC/V.FAST.  

  > CD-ROM online.  A "CD Of The Week", where you can pick and choose 
    from a different disk every week.  

  > Online rendering with ADPro of any pic off the "CD Of The Week" disk
    disk to HAM, GIF, JPEG or AGA format.  Only takes a few minutes, and
    you can download one pic while the next one's rendering. 

  > Got a second gig drive installed.  Filled up the old one. &ltblush>

  > Slightly new philosophical stance.  Less fun stuff (MODs, Euro things),
    more serious stuff (task-specific utilities, commercial demos, etc).
    CBM may have thrown in the towel, but there's still a tremendous amount
    of serious work out there for this computer to do.  Message base has 
    also taken a slight turn for the reality-minded.


More about the software:

    > Uses "binary ANSI" menus for that modern, snappy feel.  
    > You can attach LHA files to public OR private messages.
    > Nice full-screen message base editor.
    > Really cool way to mark files for auto-downloading.
    > The 4-way Internode Chat is an absolute panic.
    > File descriptions are in the LHA file's Filenote (`Comment Box'),
      so you can read them at home by Listing out your downloads.
    > SysOps: Uses all standard doors, supports infinite nodes, infinite 
      path names to file areas, upload resume, fidonet, has an online user
      editor, and every color and scrap of text in the entire program is 
      laid out in 300+ configurable little boxes, a SysOp's dream.

  And what, I hear you ask, is the name of this incredible stuff, and how
many hundreds of dollars does it cost?  

  "MAXsBBS", v1.52, in the PD.  Not big, about 270k.

  It used to be, if you wanted configurable BBS software, you went commer-
cial.  These days, with all the commercial BBS "systems" (as referred to
"programs") being so hard-coded, if you want configurability, the frontier
is in the PD.  I tried 'em all.  This was the best by far.


  The board itself:  Two thousand HAM pics, tons of Euro demos, three
hundred animations, three hundred games, four hundred utilities, eight
hundred MODs, tons of exquisite nudie pics...

  ..and some really GREAT pointers!  ;)

  Six thousand files, no dupes, no worn-out versions, no fluff.  And yep,
everything works.


                     
                                                         
                        1200-9600 baud: (408) 238-1382   
                        2400-9600 baud: (408) 238-2969       
                        9600-28.8 baud: (408) 238-5885   
                                                         
                     
 
See ya there!


- TBM



[From    ] Danny Barnett                    [MSG 19 OF 53]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 20]
[Date    ] Thu 12 May 94 17:42
[Subject ] Amiga buyout?

DISCLAIMER: These messages were pulled off a nationwide Amiga echo.  Until
further confirmation, I advise everyone to treat the information presented as
being strictly rumors.
 
 
Msg#:18284 *Amiga*
05-11-94 21:45:15
From: BILL STONE
  To: ALL
Subj: SAMSUNG DEAL
Well, for all of you who were mad because I was one of the gajillions of 
people who posted the same CBM press releases for the 36th time, here's a 
bit of news that at least will have different wording.
 
This particular tidbit comes from the Microtech BBS in suburban Chicago.  
Microtech is an Amiga shop that primarily specializes retailing Toaster 
systems.  They have about as up-to-date info as anyone.
 
The following is transcribed:
 
 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
News Bulletin: Amiga Continues!
(Fri  6-May-1994  5:33p)
 
Here is the latest news from our COMMODORE REPRESENTATIVE (not BBS or the
usual rumour mill):
 
As of 4:00PM Friday, May 6, Commodore was purchased by Samsung, who has every
intention of continuing the Amiga line of hardware as we have all hoped.
The Amiga will survive! Press releases with more details will probably appear
in the next few days.
 
The separate division of Commodore which manufactures CD-32 has been purchased
by Philips. It is not known at this time if Philips will continue CD-32
production at all, or if the CD-32 technology will simply be absorbed into
their own CDI product line. Again, time will tell.
 
Personally, I expect CD-32 to simply vanish, and the Philips CDI machine will
suddenly get more powerful.....
 
Stay tuned... As we hear OFFICIAL announcements, we'll post them.
 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Halelujah!  Looks like I'll be buying that Amiga in September after all!
 
Bill Stone
 
 
"For hate's sake, I spit in your general direction." - Khan
--- Terminate 1.40
 * Origin: Runabout USS Rushmore -- Moored in Glendale Hts, IL (1:115/469.1)
 
 
 
 
Msg#:18289 *Amiga*
05-11-94 19:38:28
From: SCOUT BENDER
  To: ALL
Subj: ALREADY PROGRESS
I work at a LARGE computer chain (CompUSA), within the last week (since
Commodore's DEATH) we can now order the Commodore Amiga 3000UX Unix system.
Since Commodore's existance, this WASN'T possible.  BUT, since we can now
special order this Amiga, be looking for Amiga's in a store near you --->
hopefully soon!  
 
Just thought I'd present something of good news! The Amiga itself is very much
alive!!!!
 
Scout Bender
 
--- Maximus/2 2.01wb
 * Origin: The OS/2 Connection BBS (913)888-6134 (1:280/394)
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Any independent confirmation of either would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!
 
Danny


[From    ] Kerry Hales                      [MSG 20 OF 53]
[To      ] Danny Barnett                    [Reply To 19]  [Has Reply 21]
[Date    ] Sun 15 May 94 12:16
[Subject ] Re: Amiga buyout?

when I read that Samsung had financed (bought C=0 I almost cried.  No, re
Really, if this is true.... I don;t care who ownes them as long as ALi and
Gould are put to death.

[From    ] John Jeffery                     [REC'D] [MSG 21 OF 53]
[To      ] Kerry Hales                      [Reply To 20]  [Has Reply 22]
[Date    ] Sun 15 May 94 12:40
[Subject ] Re: Amiga buyout?

 I second the motion... Nothing beats a good public stoning.

[From    ] Mike Austin                      [REC'D] [MSG 22 OF 53]
[To      ] Kerry Hales                      [Reply To 21]  [Has Reply 23]
[Date    ] Sun 15 May 94 14:06
[Subject ] Re: Amiga buyout?

   How is Samsung going to continue the Amiga when nobody buys them?  Maybe if
they start working VERY hard on AAA they can get some people interested and
advertise (is that a C= swear word?)


                                 cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 23 OF 53]
[To      ] Mike Austin                      [Reply To 22]  [Has Reply 24]
[Date    ] Sun 15 May 94 16:14
[Subject ] Re: Amiga buyout?

     90% of the reason Amiga sales are in the dumps is because NOBODY has even
heard of the darn things! Aside from the Amiga Few there is NO advertising.
Think of it; 5 million Amigas sold almost entirely by word of mouth! Aside
from some marketing in Europe, Our Fave Machine is almost anonymous. Marketing
done cleverly could see a huge rebound. I wish the folks doing Coke's new
commercials had been doing marketing for C=.
          Coz

[From    ] Jay Miner                        [REC'D] [MSG 24 OF 53]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 23]  [Has Reply 25]
[Date    ] Mon 16 May 94  2:03
[Subject ] Re: Amiga buyout?

Im afraid they allready had the people from Coke os simmilar.  You can win
Soapbox derbys, let your kid fly the house around, meet celibrities, but call
it a computer??  NEVER!!!  let alone describe the great software (at that time
it was competitive) Maxiplan with voice, Word perfict, Etc. For some reason
Gould was afraid to compete with IBM. If you dont call it a buisness machine
they cant take it off their taxes. I hear Flight Simulator was the biggesst
seller in the early PC days. People would take the "buisness" machine off
their taxes, and play Flight simulator in it.

By the way Flight simulator was going to be ours, untill Gould put the screws
to the author, and tried to chisel down his ontract with Amiga Corp. 

                   Jay Miner (Padre) 8^)### 
         Let's use public messages whenever possible!

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [MSG 25 OF 53]
[To      ] Jay Miner                        [Reply To 24]  [Has Reply 26]
[Date    ] Tue 17 May 94 13:25
[Subject ] Re: Amiga buyout?

     The Amiga was torpedoed by lousy or non-existant marketing, that's for
sure!
     As for being competitive, let's assume the Amiga gets bought by an
aggressive company with bucks to burn on marketing and R&D. Know what I'd do?
I would take advantage of the new RISC processor's speed and develope the
Amiga where it would competively run software from other architecture. Picture
the first release machine with a 68060 cpu &ltfor AmigaDOS and reverse
compatibility> and a card with a PowerPC built on to it in a Zorro3 slot. Mac
card uneccessary as the PowerPC will run Mac stuff directly.
     Then advertise the bejasus out of it as an all-purpose machine. After
they buy the puppy we then subvert them to The AmigaDOS Way. Hehehehehehehe...
IMHO, the AmigaDOS/GUI interface is the stablest slickest one around.
     In the meantime the original Amiga Faithful have our faith restored.
     The key trick is who will buy the technology? HP? Sanyo? Samsung? Weird
Stuff? I dunno...
          Coz

[From    ] John Waller                      [REC'D] [MSG 26 OF 53]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 25]  [Has Reply 27]
[Date    ] Sat 21 May 94 11:35
[Subject ] Re: Amiga buyout?


On the other hand, mass market advertising of computers, ala Coke, has never
worked.  Even IBM's last campaign failed, not only did their sales not
increase, but, they actually lost sales. Their campaign generated a negative
image of their systems.



The big problem is that computers are not like refrigerators, or cars. 
Everyone knows they need those, but which one?  Most people that do not have
computers do not understand why they need one, if they do.  So trying to sell
the merits of the Amgia over PCs is wasted effort, the differences mean
nothing, and they do not know why they need it.  If you look at current
computer marketing, you find the big bucks spent only where people looking for
a system would look.  All the computer ads are in either computer mags, or,
occasionally, in media where the business decision makers are, i.e. Wall
Street Journal, Golf tournaments, etc.  You also see the ads in the respective
niche markets, so magazines dealing with graphic arts, video, dtp, etc. will
see ads for Macs, and even PCs.  If the Amiga is to advertise, this would be
the wisest way to spend the money.  Go after the people who would understand
the difference, and in particular, those for whom the Amiga is a solid
alternative to the PCs and Macs where THEIR work is concerned.  Professionals
are not as interested in OSs, hardware fine points, etc. as they are in
whether the system can do what they want at a lower cost than their
competition. Unquestionably, the Amiga is a key player in video and
Multi-media right now.  It is not too strong in graphic art or dtp, compared
to the Macs - but it could be, it has all the elements necessary.  We just
need the programs that can top the Mac stuff in particular, and PC stuff in
general.



Even the games consoles do not advertise in the mass media - EXCEPT at
Christmas.  They concentrate on  areas where the players are, childrens shows,
game magazines, etc.


While I do not think general advertising on, say TV would help, it would help
to bring the Amiga name before the public as much as possible. Like press
releases about the use of the Amiga in Babylon 5, DSV, and other programs and
films.  Possibly christmas campaign "help" if there is still a low end market.
The new owners of the Amgia, whoever they maybe, ought to take a leaf out of
Apple's marketing, and promote the Amiga in schools.  Have special education
discounts, encourage Amiga developers to create site licenses for their
programs. Admittedly, this last is iffy, since schools are notorious for
pirating software, the staff, not students, after all it is for the "cause" of
education and budgets are tight. But it may still be a viable avenue to
explore. And, naturally, AGRESSIVE marketing in video, multi-media, kiosks,
and hopefully graphic arts and DTP.



I have to admit that this whole Amiga adventure has more twists and turns than
anything Infocom could have turned out :)





On a different note, is HT electronics still a decent place to look around?? 
Bear in mind there is nothing within 3 hours (@ 75 mph, :) to find Amgia
stuff.  I have been tempted to take a day and drive up, about 5 hrs to check
it out..


[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 27 OF 53]
[To      ] John Waller                      [Reply To 26]  [Has Reply 28]
[Date    ] Sun 22 May 94 19:19
[Subject ] Re: Amiga buyout?

     HT is as about a decent a place as I know of. There isn't anything god in
the East Bay region that I know of. Winner's Circle in Berzerkley is kind of
lame.
     5 hours to here? Where ya at? LA?
          Coz

[From    ] John Waller                      [REC'D] [MSG 28 OF 53]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 27]  [Has Reply 29]
[Date    ] Sun 22 May 94 22:02
[Subject ] Re: Amiga buyout?



In a message dated Sun 22 May 94 19:19, Bob Cosby wrote:

 BC>      HT is as about a decent a place as I know of. There isn't
 BC> anything god in the East Bay region that I know of. Winner's Circle
 BC> in Berzerkley is kind of lame.
 BC>      5 hours to here? Where ya at? LA?
 BC>           Coz


Well the Central Coast area :)

     Pismo Beach

     Santa Maria

     Vandenberg Air Force Base

90 miles north of Santa Barbara :)

About 200 miles south of you.....



The 5 hours was a fuzzy estimate from when I went to AmiExpo, right after the
quake - remember that??



Oh, yeah, thanks.

Distance wise, it would be a toss up between HT and Creative, but I have been
hearing reports that Creatives floor stock is a bit thin lately, and I am
anxious to find a store where I can see at least SOME hardware displayed to
check out. In particular, I want to try out a digital tablet, see how it
feels, I might be something I need....


[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 29 OF 53]
[To      ] John Waller                      [Reply To 28]  [Has Reply 30]
[Date    ] Mon 23 May 94 21:14
[Subject ] Re: Amiga buyout?

     Creative pulled a fast one on a pal of mine. His A1200 had a stinko
Seagate drive &ltthe infamous "stiction" problem> and tried to get Creative to
replace the drive. Buttheads shined him, even though he bought it there.
     HT has tablets. Mines a little nifty one called "Drawing Pad" and is made
by Calcomp with Amiga drivers. Works fine.
          Coz

[From    ] Joe Carp                         [REC'D] [MSG 30 OF 53]
[To      ] John Waller                      [Reply To 29]  [Has Reply 31]
[Date    ] Tue 24 May 94  8:01
[Subject ] Re: Amiga buyout?

You're right, but what's an "Amgia?" :-)

Actually, if the computer market is to grow, "regular" folks have to be
attracted into it.  I've always said that a technological device would only
sell well if my mom would use it.  My mom plays Bingo and watched Geraldo in
the afternoon.  What software could be run on an Amiga to attract a person
like that?  My dad uses an Amiga 2 days out of the whole year -- to do his
taxes in a check writing program.  I have to re-teach him all about using a
mouse and keyboard every year.  We somehow have to turn these "gizmos" into
everyday appliances.  We have to remember also, most people can't program
their own VCR.

The world is doomed.  What kind of people are even buying IBM clones which are
even harder to use, IMHO?

   -Joe



[From    ] Joe Carp                         [REC'D] [MSG 31 OF 53]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 30]  [Has Reply 32]
[Date    ] Tue 24 May 94  8:10
[Subject ] Creative

Yep, I'm afraid Creative hasn't been too good to the Amiga community at all.
Funny... they built their business on Amiga products, but once they reached
success, they shined it on.  Creative has a bad reputation for being highly
dishonest, anyway.  I'm calling from L.A.  I know.  I do all my shopping at
either KJ's or Century down here.

   -Joe

[From    ] John Jeffery                     [REC'D] [MSG 32 OF 53]
[To      ] Joe Carp                         [Reply To 31]  [Has Reply 33]
[Date    ] Wed 25 May 94  0:09
[Subject ] Re: Creative

 Is KJ located in Van Nuys... There was a software shop I went into while I
lived down there that sold me on the Amiga when I saw them demo'ing F-18.
Can't remember the name of it but there was another decent software shop on
Sherman Way just pass Reseda(?). 
 Oh well, one of these days I think I'll head back down there and see if some
of the old places still exsist.

[From    ] John Waller                      [REC'D] [MSG 33 OF 53]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 32]  [Has Reply 34]
[Date    ] Sun 29 May 94 23:45
[Subject ] Re: Amiga buyout?

          
=->     Creative pulled a fast one on a pal of mine. His A1200 had a stinko
Seagate drive &ltthe infamous "stiction" problem> and tried to get Creative to
replace the drive. Buttheads shined him, even though he bought it there.
     HT has tablets. Mines a little nifty one called "Drawing Pad" and is made
by Calcomp with Amiga drivers. Works fine.
Coz

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for the info.



[From    ] John Waller                      [REC'D] [MSG 34 OF 53]
[To      ] Joe Carp                         [Reply To 33]  [Has Reply 35]
[Date    ] Sun 29 May 94 23:52
[Subject ] Re: Amiga buyout?

     y
Yeah, there is no computer made that is truly "easy" to use. The computer
illiterate even have problems with the Macs once they get beyond the
elementary stuff.  One thing people forget, you may be able to make an easy
interface, but the subject of the software may be so inherently difficult,
that an easy interface cannot overcomethe difficult subject.  Image
processing, ray-tracing are obvious things which come to mind :)

Do not blame people for not being able to program VCRs, blame the
manufacturers. I believe it was in the Smithsonian a while back, there was an
article about control design. It pointed out that most control designs are
miserable. Too few controls are designed to do too many controls, too many
controls. Poor selection in labeling colors, control knob shape, size.  A
classic example of poor design is the car stereo system, especially the more
advanced ones.  They have knobs that are too small, too invisible, etc.  Even
the most mechanically gifted have had trouble with VCR programming. One
example, my mom has a VCR with a remote. This remote is a very nice interface
for porgramming the VCR. it guides you through every step.  Even she could
program with no trouble.  BUT, heaven help you if you make a mistake.  Once
the remote is programmed, you transmit the data to the VCR. Fine. It is so
easy, it is incredible, you would think erasing the program or making a change
would be as easy, right?? If you said yes, then you flunk out. To make ANY
change to the program, you have to erase it, and start over.  No big deal,
EXCEPT, your cannot erase the program from the remote!  You have to go over to
the VCR, open a panel, read the manual to remember which buttons do the job. 
You then locate the button to cycle through the programs, then hit delete.
Neither button is labeled, correspondingly. Each one has multiple functions,
so even the choice is not intuitive........ SIGH ....... Idiots!!!!! If they
made it so easy to program, why in the world didn't they make it easy to
correct or erase!?!?!?!?!? It was an idiot design. All VCRs, and high tech
equipment seem to be designed with the same blend of intelligence and absolute
stupidity.

The other day I had the opportunity to drive a rental Buick, I think Le Sabre.
Nice interior. BUT, guess where the headlight switch was??? On the steering
wheel stalk? No. On the Dashboard?? No. They were in the door!!!  I found the
parking brake release, but not the parking brake....fortunately, I did not
have to park on a; hill.
The whole car was a study in nice touches, mixed with stupid, and potentially
dangerous, touches.

Will we ever learn??????????

[From    ] Joe Carp                         [REC'D] [MSG 35 OF 53]
[To      ] John Jeffery                     [Reply To 34]  [Has Reply 36]
[Date    ] Mon 30 May 94  5:32
[Subject ] Re: Creative

In a message dated Wed 25 May 94  0:09, John Jeffery wrote:

 JJ>  Is KJ located in Van Nuys... There was a software shop I went into
 JJ> while I lived down there that sold me on the Amiga when I saw them
 JJ> demo'ing F-18. Can't remember the name of it but there was another
 JJ> decent software shop on Sherman Way just pass Reseda(?). 
 JJ>  Oh well, one of these days I think I'll head back down there and see
 JJ> if some of the old places still exsist.

Actually, I'm closest to Century Computers in La Habra, so most of my business
goes to them.  I do call many board in the north LA, Van Nuys area and most of
those users go to KJ's and say they get excellent support.

   -Joe

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 36 OF 53]
[To      ] John Waller                      [Reply To 35]  [Has Reply 37]
[Date    ] Tue 31 May 94 14:05
[Subject ] Control design

     Then there are the guys who write long messages without a single
paragraph indentation. Tsk tsk tsk... 8^D
          Coz

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 37 OF 53]
[To      ] Joe Carp                         [Reply To 36]  [Has Reply 38]
[Date    ] Tue 31 May 94 14:07
[Subject ] Re: Creative

     I bought my A1000 from Century Computers in September 1985. &ltsniff sniff,
boohoohoo!> Geeze, my Ami is NINE YEARS OLD ALREADY!!!
     Glad I have a 4000... 8^)
          Coz
     ps Nostalgia ain't like it was in the old days! ;^)

[From    ] Jeff Colon                       [REC'D] [MSG 38 OF 53]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 37]  [Has Reply 39]
[Date    ] Tue 31 May 94 15:07
[Subject ] Re: Creative

I'm also happy you have a 4000. Tell me, seen much comercial Amiga software
lately?
oops no indent...   My A3000 is very hungry for something to shout about. 8(

[From    ] Joe Carp                         [REC'D] [MSG 39 OF 53]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 38]  [Has Reply 40]
[Date    ] Wed  1 Jun 94  3:53
[Subject ] Re: Creative

In a message dated Tue 31 May 94 14:07, Bob Cosby wrote:

 BC>      I bought my A1000 from Century Computers in September 1985.
 BC> &ltsniff sniff, boohoohoo!> Geeze, my Ami is NINE YEARS OLD ALREADY!!!
 BC>      Glad I have a 4000... 8^)

My A1000 was purchased at Priority One (rememer them?) back in Dec. '85.
Hungry at the prospect of easier expansion, I bought my A2000 from Century in
'87.  Century has been hurting lately, but what Amiga retailer isn't these
days. :-(

Haven't upped the ante to an AGA machine yet, although it would be a A4000
since accelerating my A2000 has somewhat spoiled me.

 BC>      ps Nostalgia ain't like it was in the old days! ;^)

Heh, yep.  I remember when you were down in these parts, Bob.  I used to call
C.U.T.E. BBS when everyone was learning about their brand spankin' new A1000.
Do you ever chat with Brian Jackson these days?  He's been quite the "popular"
guy on GEnie, eh? ;-)

   -Joe

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 40 OF 53]
[To      ] Jeff Colon                       [Reply To 39]  [Has Reply 41]
[Date    ] Wed  1 Jun 94 22:13
[Subject ] Re: Creative

     Since I purchased Caligari24 last year I've been out of the market. Been
drooling over the network that runs off the last floppy connector. A little
slow but nice capabilities for device sharing.
          Coz

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 41 OF 53]
[To      ] Joe Carp                         [Reply To 40]  [Has Reply 42]
[Date    ] Wed  1 Jun 94 22:16
[Subject ] Re: Creative

     GAWD! I miss the C.U.T.E. days! Haven't yattered with Brian since I was
SysOping JDR's BBS and I had some inside info on the &ltthen> new A3000. Alas,
some people got the idea it was Jay who blabbed when in fact he was pretty
tight lipped. 8^(
     Anyways, Brian logged on my BBS to see if I had the straight facts.
Turned out my stats were 95% on the money.
          Coz
     ps Was "Joe Carp" you handle ya used on C.U.T.E.?

[From    ] Joe Carp                         [REC'D] [MSG 42 OF 53]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 41]  [Has Reply 43]
[Date    ] Sat  4 Jun 94 14:48
[Subject ] Good 'ol days

In a message dated Wed  1 Jun 94 22:16, Bob Cosby wrote:

 BC>      GAWD! I miss the C.U.T.E. days! Haven't yattered with Brian
 BC> since I was SysOping JDR's BBS and I had some inside info on the
 BC> &ltthen> new A3000. Alas, some people got the idea it was Jay who

That's just before he and Darren got hired, right?  I just got my "Death-Bed
Vigil" T-shirt yesturday, and Brian's, Darren's, and Jay's signature are on
the back.  Looks like they transfered Jay's sig. and Michie's paw print from
the A1000 to the T-shirt.  BTW, Jay, did you know about this?!  It's on the
lower left of the back of the T-shirt.

I just had to order one.  Half my waredrobe is Amiga paraphanalia. :-)


   -Joe

[From    ] John Waller                      [REC'D] [MSG 43 OF 53]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 42]  
[Date    ] Sat  4 Jun 94 19:12
[Subject ] Re: Control design

What is a paragraph indentation?????

[From    ] Joe Carp                         [MSG 44 OF 53]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 45]
[Date    ] Mon  6 Jun 94 22:02
[Subject ] Dave Haynie

Did Dave Haynie leave Commodore or whatever company he worked for last week?
I read his last day was last Friday.  This is getting rediculous.


   -Joe



[From    ] Paul Tibbals                     [REC'D] [MSG 45 OF 53]
[To      ] Joe Carp                         [Reply To 44]  [Has Reply 46]
[Date    ] Sat 11 Jun 94 18:23
[Subject ] Re: Dave Haynie

According to mail on Portal, he works for Scala now.

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 46 OF 53]
[To      ] Joe Carp                         [Reply To 45]  [Has Reply 47]
[Date    ] Tue 14 Jun 94 22:06
[Subject ] Re: Dave Haynie

     Sorry, I don't know what Haynie's doing for sure. I hear he has joined a
company that sells Amiga and PC stuff.
          Coz

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 47 OF 53]
[To      ] Joe Carp                         [Reply To 46]  
[Date    ] Sat 18 Jun 94 20:48
[Subject ] Re: Dave Haynie

     As far as I know he's at Scala.
          Coz

[From    ] Gary Chow                        [MSG 48 OF 53]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 49]
[Date    ] Sun 26 Jun 94 13:18
[Subject ] Jay Miner

Jay Miner passed away June 20, 1994, at the El Camino Hospital in Mountain
View.  The actual cause of death was heart failure, but it was the result of
kidney complications.  A private memorial service will be held in July.

He'll be greatly missed and much remembered.


[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 49 OF 53]
[To      ] Gary Chow                        [Reply To 48]  [Has Reply 50]
[Date    ] Sun 26 Jun 94 19:42
[Subject ] Re: Jay Miner

     When I was in a tight spot Jay helped me out even though I was just
another Amiga fan he knew in passing from FAUG.
     He was a phenomenon of generosity. I will miss him very much.
          Coz

[From    ] Dirk Rokicki                     [REC'D] [MSG 50 OF 53]
[To      ] Gary Chow                        [Reply To 49]  [Has Reply 52]
[Date    ] Mon 27 Jun 94  3:36
[Subject ] Re: Jay Miner

May his kind soul rest in peace. He was a man to be rememberred, both for his
accomplishments, and his demeanor. 

[From    ] Joe Carp                         [REC'D] [MSG 52 OF 53]
[To      ] Gary Chow                        [Reply To 50]  [Has Reply 53]
[Date    ] Mon 27 Jun 94  4:44
[Subject ] Re: Jay Miner

Please, someone post an address to where cards, flowers and gifts may be sent
to Jay's family.  I'll miss him, too.

   -Joe

[From    ] Kerry Hales                      [MSG 53 OF 53]
[To      ] Gary Chow                        [Reply To 52]  
[Date    ] Mon 27 Jun 94 18:51
[Subject ] Re: Jay Miner

This made my bad day a little worse.  I know Jay was suffering greatly and I
only find condolence in thinking he is no longer in pain.   Few great
inovators are born each day: Edison,  Franklin, Farnsworth, Roddenbery.... and
others who dared to reach the envelope of the impossible and make it possible.
Few off us go with any legacy from this world....  Jay gave his life to others
in hope of bringing new ideas and hope to all.


Rest in peace.

:...(

Searching areas: [5] [From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 5
OF 40]
[To      ] James Elkinton                   
[Date    ] Mon  9 Aug 92  0:10
[Subject ] Re: Correction

Hi!  Well, the deal is, it's not really done by "zones", it's done by
prefixes.  There are prefixes in Zone 2 that are "local", some that are not,
ditto Zone 1.  All of Zone 3's LD, but not to the West S.J. number, praise be.
That little call-forwarding plan they offer is pretty neat...doesn't actually
have to be set up at any location, they just do it downtown, and the meager
five bucks they want to hook it up can't be beat.  The problem I've had with
that line is the noise, but there's nothing that can be done about that...it's
not the "line", per se, it's the "switching station", or whatever they call
it.  Anyone that lives in the Milpitas area and has called here over the years
knows just what I'm talking about.  I think I averaged a completely clean line
about one call in two when I was living there; same deal, not the line, it's
the central relay station.  If you're calling via land phone, you can just
hear the garbage in the background while it's ringing, but you can't hear it
over our modem's little speakers.  Welp...later!  


[From    ] Jay Miner                        [MSG 6 OF 40]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Sun 29 Aug 92 21:35
[Subject ] AWest Sept, meeting

 * This message forwarded from area 1, The Lounge (handles ok)
 * Original message dated Wed 25 Aug 92 14:22, from Bobbie Sellers 

 
         _ _
        ////   AWest the San Francisco Amiga Users Group next meeting is
       ////            at 7 P.M.September 3, 1992
_ _   ////    1350 7th Avenue in the Old Laguna Honda School
\\\\ ////      Scott Anthony will be presenting Art Expression    
 \\\\/// _       _     _     _   _    _    _    _   _    _   _  _    _
  \\///   
   ---           
 If you would like this information is a more pleasant form download
SeptSign.lha, a beautiful DPaint rendition, by Jan Simon (AWest Member and 
newsletter editor).
 

[From    ] Gary Weir                        [MSG 9 OF 40]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 10]
[Date    ] Thu 21 Oct 92 20:59
[Subject ] November TOGA posting

*** This is my last post for TOGA since I am stepping down.  There are several
gracious TOGA members who have volunteered to take over my duties though. 
They are listed towards the bottom of the post.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A  M  I  G  A        C  O  M  P  U  T  E  R         U  S  E  R  S
 
ANNOUNCING:   T.O.G.A. ----- "The Other Group of Amigoids"
 
When:   Oct 17, Nov 28,  Dec 19,  Jan 23
        Saturday 12:30pm-3:30pm
 
Where:  Milpitas Community Library
        Meeting Room (immediately to the right as you enter)
        40 N. Milpitas Blvd. (just north of Calaveras Blvd.)
        Milpitas, California
 
TOGA is an informal, non-profit group of Commodore Amiga computer
users that meet to share ideas, PD software, and information.  If
you need suggestions, advice, or just want to talk about Amigas
in a friendly and casual setting, this is the group for you.  If
you have a new program you want to show off to some friends, come
see us!  If you are just starting and barely know how to turn it
on, you're invited to attend.
 
We have started a Public Domain disk collection (including some
of the Fred Fish series).  There isn't any charge for copying
disks, just bring along your blanks and extra copies of any PD
disks that you would like to share with the club.  Users are
greatly encouraged to bring their own computers if possible,
especially if you wish to copy disks from our PD disk library.
WARNING:  Everyone is responsible for their own equipment.
Anything you bring is your responsibility and we won't be liable
for damages.
 
THE BEST PART:  IT'S FREE!  ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ATTEND!  We may
"pass the hat" for occasional incidental expenses, but
participation is strictly voluntary.  TOGA intends to stay free
of dues, admission fees, etc.  We wish to keep this as informal
as possible and keep it fun.
 
Now we're on PORTAL too!  You can chat online with several of
your fellow Amigoids and TOGA members!  Call (408)973-9311 VOICE
or (408)725-0561 MODEM for more information about PORTAL.
 
For more information about TOGA, call Lawrence Brown at
408-984-6036 (voice) or email him at toga@cup.portal.com.  If you
would like to be on our monthly e-mail mailing list, send a note
to toga@cup.portal.com.
 
  -Lawrence Brown   TOGA Founder  (Usenet:  toga@cup.portal.com)
  -Duane Xavier     Publicist (BBS & Fliers)
  -Warren Burnham   Milpitas Library Contact
  -Ron Wasserstein  Fred Fish Disk Librarian
  -Randy Abel       "Hot New PD Disk" Librarian
 
 
P.S. TOGA information is also posted on:
Mission BBS          (Mtn. View)415-967-2021
The BenchMaster's BBS(Mtn. View)415-968-8580

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 10 OF 40]
[To      ] Gary Weir                        [Reply To 9]  [Has Reply 11]
[Date    ] Fri 22 Oct 92 20:17
[Subject ] Stepping down

     Hey Gary! Why ya stepping down? Short of personal time? Sorry to hear it,
you do a lotta good I'm sure.
          Coz 

[From    ] Gary Weir                        [REC'D] [MSG 11 OF 40]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 10]  
[Date    ] Sat 23 Oct 92  7:37
[Subject ] Re: Stepping down

You got it exactly.  And thanks for the kind words.  I'll still be around here
and there, I just need to change a few priorities.

[From    ] Paul Tibbals                     [MSG 19 OF 40]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Sat 20 Mar 93 20:40
[Subject ] AAA meeting, April 20

AAA will have the second coming of RocTec.  they showed this last month, but
their camcorder had just fritzed, and didn't have a couple of vital cable
connectors.  
So in April they will hshow off the RocGenPlus, (graphics over video) and
RocKey (Chromakey, video over graphics like the weatherman).  Also user group
pricing will be available on certain RocTec products.

AAA meets in Concord at the Contra Costa Water district building.  680 North
to Concord Avenue, right onto Concord, mile plus, left turn into the Water
District parking lot across fromthe Acura dealer.  7:30 p.m.  Free, but only
members get discounts and raffle prizes.
PaulT, 510-829-6053


[From    ] Paul Kienitz                     [MSG 20 OF 40]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Sun 28 Mar 93 20:46
[Subject ] faug bbs

Wazzup (whazz down?) with FAUG BBS?  I've been dialing it for the entire
weekend and can't get anything but busy signals!  The thing seems to be
getting more use in two days than it usually gets all week?

[From    ] Sam Jones                        [MSG 21 OF 40]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Thu 22 Apr 93 17:47
[Subject ] BBS Phone Number

*********************************************************************
*                                                                   *
*           W E L C O M E   T O:    B A Y N A R - N E T             *
*                                                                   *
*      (408)926-8547 - 24 hours per day - 8N1 - 300/1200/2400       *
*                                                                   *
*      Model Rocketry / Astronomy / Ham / Games / Pictures /        *
*      Kids Programs / Messages / Files / Forums  and  more         *
*                                                                   *
*             Sponsored by: BayNar Model Rocket Club                *
*                                                                   *
*         BayNar Model Rocket Club is chartered with the            *
*         National Association of Rocketry and associated           *
*         with the College of De Anza Minolta Planetarium           *
*                                                                   *
* BayNar Model Rocket Club is a family orientated club with fun for *
* all ages. BayNar meets every Sunday, weather permitting, parking  *
* lot 'B', De Anza Junior College, Cupertino from 2 to 5 P.M.       *
*                                                                   *
*     For information on BayNar contact Dan Davis (408)926-1205     *
*                                                                   *
*********************************************************************
 
  

   

[From    ] Bryan Cotton                     [MSG 27 OF 40]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 37]
[Date    ] Mon 24 May 93  8:16
[Subject ] User Groups near San Jose

     Is there any San Jose Amiga user groups? Everything seems so far away
when it comes to the amiga scene in San Jose.

[From    ] Bobbie Sellers                   [MSG 29 OF 40]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Tue  8 Jun 93 23:24
[Subject ] Terrapin Lives

From Winner's Circle BBS:
Msg#:13197 *BULLETIN BOARD*
06/07/93 15:21:32
From: SAM 
To: ALL
Subj: TERRAPIN TRANSIT BACK ONLINE
Terrapin Transit is now back online (believe it or not).
 
We've got 4 lines, 2GB storage, and of course free Usenet access to all.
 The  phone numbers have changed slightly.
 The 2400 lines can now be accessed at 510-644-9328. 
 The v32bis/HST line remains as it was before (510-486-1537).
 The high speed line still has a 2400 modem on it as of 6/7/93,
 but it should be HS by the end of the week.
 
If you had an account on Terrapin before it should still be active.
 Give it a call!
 
Sam

[From    ] Marty Haskins                    [MSG 31 OF 40]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Sun 20 Jun 93 21:47
[Subject ] TOGA

Is T.O.G.A. still meeting at the Milpitas library?  If yes, what time and
date?

[From    ] Bobbie Sellers                   [MSG 36 OF 40]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Sat 26 Jun 93 18:21
[Subject ] AWest meeting July 1

AWest meeting notices are posted here each month.AWest presently meets at 1350
7th Avenue (in the old Laguna Honda School) in San Francisco the first
Thursday of the month (unless a holiday happens).
That is July 1, 1993 at 7:30 P.M.  Visitors are welcome!  The new Video
Toaster 4000 will be demonstrated.  New meeting places will be discussed. 
This is one half block from the N Judah Muni line and features 2 parking
lots one accessible from 7th, the other from 6th Avenue.  If you want more
information please leave me a message at Amiga Station San Francisco 824-8774.
bobbie sellers aka Bliss
 
 
 
 

[From    ] Paul Tibbals                     [REC'D] [MSG 37 OF 40]
[To      ] Bryan Cotton                     [Reply To 27]  
[Date    ] Sun 27 Jun 93 17:30
[Subject ] Re: User Groups near San Jose

Well, I don't know if anyone is keeping TOGA alive - last I looked, the leader
(Lawrence, wasn't it?) was stepping down, and nobody cared enough to take
over.  FAUG meets at HT in Funnyvale as I recall, never been to a meeting,
though I finally went to the store location yesterday (hadn't been to HT since
before they moved).  


[From    ] Monte Marquis                    [MSG 38 OF 40]
[To      ] All                              [Has Reply 40]
[Date    ] Sun 27 Jun 93 21:32
[Subject ] Amiga America

Seems Amiga America at 707-571-1626 is disconnected its Santa Rosa. Any of you
Amigans know of a bbs in the Santa Rosa area 707 Could you please leave me the
number.  I'll greatly appreciate it and will check in again next Saturday or
Sunday.  Thanks  Need a 707 area bbs 

Belami Marquis (Bellingham Amiga, Wa.)


[From    ] Bobbie Sellers                   [MSG 39 OF 40]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Thu  1 Jul 93  1:36
[Subject ] Virtual Reality Show this Weekend

 
Msg#: 1910 *BULLETIN BOARD*
06/30/93 11:57:40
From: BRUCE HECK
To: ALL
Subj: VIRTUAL REALITY EVENT
 
 
 
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
 
Contacts: Wes Thomas                    Chris Figge
Public Relations              Cybermind Corporation
510-845-9026, Phone           415-693-0861, Phone
510-845-9036, Fax             415-693-0171, Fax
 
 
 
Freedom Celebration on July 4th will be the first 3D televirtual-reality 
entertainment event.
 
SAN FRANCISCO: The Freedom celebration on the Fourth of July will link 
thousands of celebrants in San Francisco and Los Angeles for an unprecedented,

futuristic entertainment experience.
 
The event will celebrate a new dimension of freedom.  Breaking down the 
barriers of time and space participants will nteract and dance together via 
hyperrealistic stereoscopic 3D, using broadband telecommunications links in 
thisfirst-ever experiment in social VR telepresence.
 
Up to 10,000 people at the Bay Area's largest indoor venue--the 130,000 square

foot San Francisco Concourse Expo Hall at 7th &
Brannan--will:
 
- Reach out and (virtually) touch someone 400 miles away. Linking the events
in
real time will be Enter Corporation's advanced technology using life-size 3D 
stereoscopic video screens, as in the Wild Palms TVminiseries. (Each 
participant in San Francisco and Los Angeles will receive 3D glasses they can 
keep.) 
 
- Travel around the world interactively through virtual 3D Tokyo, Times
Square,
-More-
 
Kyoto, San Francisco, and other exotic locales.
 
- Put on goggles and dodge Pterodactyls and fellow humans inside exotic new 
virtual worlds in one of the largest multiperson public VR experiences.
 
-  Hear Dr. Timothy Leary's live animated lecture: How to Operate Your Brain, 
with overload audiovideo by Retinal Logic.
 
- Experience 80,000 watt innovative 3D surround soundanother firstmixed by
some
of the hottest house DJs from around the country.
 
- Play the virtual-touch Mandala system, which transports you into virtual 
worlds where you play musial instruments and games (by touching imaginary 
videographic objects, such as drums and soccer balls), draw pictures, and 
trigger music riffs.
 
- View 3D stereoscopic video effects and slides by Enter Corporation, laser 
projection by Laser Fantasy, and video effects by Hyperdelic Video and Rose-X 
including images projected on dancers.
 
- Experience weightlessness inside Orbitron human-gyroscope games.
 
- Explore the frontiers of the mind in computerized mind machines.
 
- Jack into real-time cyberspace via online terminals tied to Internet and 
BBSs.
 
- Browse over a dozen vendors of cool cyberstuff, from fractal tee shirts to 
holographic jewelry and smart drinks.
 
- Any many other surprises....
 
The Freedom event is a joint production by CyberMind Corporation, a 
newly-formed developer of innovative entertainment and education environments;

Enter Corporation, a full-service virtual entertainment system and content 
design company; and Modern Entertainment, a premier Bay Area events 
coordinator. Tickets are $20. Call 1-800-49-CYBER.
 
# # #
 
 
 
 

[From    ] Paul Tibbals                     [REC'D] [MSG 40 OF 40]
[To      ] Monte Marquis                    [Reply To 38]  
[Date    ] Sun 11 Jul 93 21:01
[Subject ] Re: Amiga America

In case you callhere first, I left you an answer on FAUG.  

Searching areas: [6] [From    ] Mike Austin                      [REC'D] [MSG 1
OF 49]
[To      ] Soren Goodman                    [Has Reply 2]
[Date    ] Mon  1 Nov 93  1:20
[Subject ] SysOp away

I can usually validate files, and I usually do, but there are problems now
that I can't fix remotely.  The SysOp isn't near the computer to often, If
anybody knows jay, could you give him a ring and ask if it's not too much
trouble to see what's wrong with the system?


                                 cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Soren Goodman                    [REC'D] [MSG 2 OF 49]
[To      ] Mike Austin                      [Reply To 1]  
[Date    ] Mon  1 Nov 93 20:34
[Subject ] Re: SysOp away


Well, I was just wondering. When I used to upload (last week) it would give me
an 'error creating tempdir' or something like that and wouldn't upload. But
also, and more the reason for the original message, I have been constintaly
sending messages to the sysop, for almost a month.... No replies ever... in
fact I've NEVER had a letter from the sysop to me.. never... and nothing I've
ever uploaded has been accounted for. Since this board is local to me, and
there is some stuff I would like to u/d load.. I would like to do it.. but it
won't let me download, file ratio problems, even though I have uploaded a lot
of stuff before. Thanks.

[From    ] Mike Austin                      [MSG 3 OF 49]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Mon  8 Nov 93 16:26
[Subject ] Uploads

If you can't tell, uploads are not getting validated.  This is a problem on
Jay's side, and I can't do anything about it.  Some do validate, but only once
in a while, I don't know if he has ran out of space, or a config file has been
corrupted.  I don't know Jay's number, so I cannot contact him about the
problem.  He hasn't read his mail in a while because he has other problems
other that fixing the BBS, so don't overload him with mail.  If someone does
know his number, I would like to contact him to see if it is an easy to fix
problem.


                                 cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Paul Tibbals                     [MSG 4 OF 49]
[To      ] Sysop                            [Has Reply 5]
[Date    ] Mon  8 Nov 93 21:54
[Subject ] BEST WISHES

Jay,
From our previous chats and from the "word on the streets", I hear your health
is not good.  While I have no experience with personal illness like yours, I
met many dialysis patients during a summer that I worked in a hospital
dialysis ward.  No fun at all would be a generous characterization of the
process....
 
As far as you are concerned, perhaps, the Amiga is a past achievement.  Maybe
so, but there are lots of us who get major enjoyment from these machines, and
you get a substantial part of the credit.  From the near mythology that has
come to surround the Amiga has come a sort of deification of you and the
others who made it happen.  And the user community bears you an awful lot of
goodwill.  I know that I'm speaking for many when I wish you the best, and I
hope that the best includes enjoying life while you can.  You're missed
online, and I hope that you can find the time to dip into the bitstreams and
enjoying the dialogs here.  This particular group wouldn't have met without
the computer we enjoy.  Take care!                  PaulT

[From    ] John Waller                      [REC'D] [MSG 5 OF 49]
[To      ] Paul Tibbals                     [Reply To 4]  [Has Reply 9]
[Date    ] Tue  9 Nov 93 20:29
[Subject ] Re: BEST WISHES

Amen!!!!!!!

[From    ] Dirk Rokicki                     [MSG 6 OF 49]
[To      ] Jay                              
[Date    ] Wed 10 Nov 93  5:52
[Subject ] Get Well

     Welp, me and Tom send you best wishes. Joe sais get well soon too. We
hope to see you back on the go again. Best wishes from all over. The Amiga
community is sitting on it's hands praing to whatever deities they find handy
to see you better. 

     (Welcome Tomorrow)

     Dirk James Gerhard Rokicki


[From    ] Barb Hamilton                    [MSG 7 OF 49]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Tue 23 Nov 93 23:03
[Subject ] Haapy Thanksgiving

Happy Thanksgiving to one and all, and Jay, I hope you feel better soon.

[From    ] Jay Miner                        [REC'D] [MSG 8 OF 49]
[To      ] Paul Kienitz                     [Reply To 5]  
[Date    ] Thu  7 Apr 94  8:26
[Subject ] Re: glurblfleetz

Did you read them using the T (read tagged) command??

                   Jay Miner (Padre) 8^)### 
         Let's use public messages whenever possible!

[From    ] Jay Miner                        [REC'D] [MSG 9 OF 49]
[To      ] Paul Tibbals                     [Reply To 5]  [Has Reply 11]
[Date    ] Fri  8 Apr 94  1:18
[Subject ] Re: BEST WISHES

I just got out of 6 months in the hospital. Yes I still love the Amiga, in
fact I am very distressed by Commodores treating it as only a video-game
machine. Video is great, but they have never stressed its advantages as a
buisness machine. (easy windows, multitasking, and some realy nice software)

I will try now to take better care of the board, but remember this is a small
BBS with limited disk space, and generaly I must find something to delete
before I can add new files. 

Once you are a validated user there is no upload requirment. I will now try to
keep up with all the new users (since Sept) that need validating.   OK????

                   Jay Miner (Padre) 8^)### 
         Let's use public messages whenever possible!

[From    ] Jay Miner                        [REC'D] [MSG 10 OF 49]
[To      ] Dirk Rokicki                     
[Date    ] Fri  8 Apr 94  1:25
[Subject ] Re: Get Well

Read recient message in the lounge area for info about my problems and my semi
recovery.

                   Jay Miner (Padre) 8^)### 
         Let's use public messages whenever possible!

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 11 OF 49]
[To      ] Jay Miner                        [Reply To 9]  [Has Reply 12]
[Date    ] Fri  8 Apr 94 22:53
[Subject ] Re: BEST WISHES

     Jay, when you get time, go log on to Benchmaster's BBS and look at his
new software. he swears it beats holy heck out of commercial BBS software. It
does look nice and being PD the price is nice.
          Coz

[From    ] Paul Kienitz                     [REC'D] [MSG 12 OF 49]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 11]  [Has Reply 13]
[Date    ] Sat  9 Apr 94 10:29
[Subject ] Re: BEST WISHES

>      Jay, when you get time, go log on to Benchmaster's BBS and look at his
> new software. he swears it beats holy heck out of commercial BBS software.
It
> does look nice and being PD the price is nice.
 
What's it called?  Does it do Fido?


[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 13 OF 49]
[To      ] Paul Kienitz                     [Reply To 12]  [Has Reply 14]
[Date    ] Sat  9 Apr 94 12:48
[Subject ] Max'sBBS

     It's an Australian program called Max's BBS. It looks quite nice. I don't
know if it will do FIDO or not. Call Benchie and ask. He's really tickled with
it. I intend using it for CozBBS when I get my new phone line. I just spent
today getting my A2000 back together and I'm about to sneakernet Max over to
it.
     Hey, speaking of which... Have you seen that net goodie for Amigas where
ya hook the connectors to the last floppy on each machine? You tell each
workstation what is on the other and treat them as local devices. Sounds cool
to me. If I recal it works at 500Kbits per second which is a tad slow.
          Coz

[From    ] Soren Goodman                    [REC'D] [MSG 14 OF 49]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 13]  [Has Reply 15]
[Date    ] Sun 10 Apr 94 15:30
[Subject ] Re: Max'sBBS

He used Max's after all? Well i was looking that over awhile ago when i was
thinking of starting a board but i'm a bit low on money, so i didn't...but it
does have fido support and it was a really good system..though i didn't think
benchie was gonna use it cause he wanted a second phone line, which max's bbs
doesn't support..oh well..it's still a really good system..written in
assembler..

[From    ] Mike Austin                      [REC'D] [MSG 15 OF 49]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 14]  [Has Reply 16]
[Date    ] Mon 11 Apr 94  1:32
[Subject ] Re: Max'sBBS

In a message dated Sat  9 Apr 94 12:48, Bob Cosby wrote:

 BC>      It's an Australian program called Max's BBS. It looks quite
 BC> nice. I don't know if it will do FIDO or not. Call Benchie and ask.

I downloaded that BBS to play around with it...it's F A S T...it was
programmed in assembly.  What a chore!


                                 cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Dirk Rokicki                     [REC'D] [MSG 16 OF 49]
[To      ] Soren Goodman                    [Reply To 15]  [Has Reply 17]
[Date    ] Mon 11 Apr 94  3:36
[Subject ] Re: Max'sBBS

But it DOES support a secone line. He has THREE, count with me now,

     One . . . . .

     Two . . . . . 

     THREE!!!

     It suports lots of things that the manual doesn't tell you about as well,
but talk to Benchie about that one.


[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 17 OF 49]
[To      ] Soren Goodman                    [Reply To 16]  [Has Reply 18]
[Date    ] Mon 11 Apr 94 22:19
[Subject ] Re: Max'sBBS

     Max's BBS -does- support multiple lines and Benchie is using 3 right now.
Alas, the support is non-existant as the programmer has given it up. However
Benchie is going to try and get the source code from him in Australia.
     But it sure looks like a -nice- package. Maybe Jay will take a peek at
it.
          Coz

[From    ] Soren Goodman                    [REC'D] [MSG 18 OF 49]
[To      ] Dirk Rokicki                     [Reply To 17]  [Has Reply 19]
[Date    ] Tue 12 Apr 94 20:46
[Subject ] Re: Max'sBBS

i noticed that...i think he said he was gonna just run three bbs' at the same
time and i think that's how he did it..

[From    ] Dirk Rokicki                     [REC'D] [MSG 19 OF 49]
[To      ] Soren Goodman                    [Reply To 18]  [Has Reply 20]
[Date    ] Tue 12 Apr 94 23:31
[Subject ] Re: Max'sBBS

Umm, I don't think he did that. Because if you will notice, no matter what
line you log on at, it says '(This is the 1200/2400 line). He is running
multiple lines with the same one, as far as I know. You MAY be right, but I
don't think so, otherwise, he could have done the same with BBS PC. And he
would have been saved alot of heartache and time doing it that way. 

[From    ] John Jeffery                     [REC'D] [MSG 20 OF 49]
[To      ] Dirk Rokicki                     [Reply To 19]  [Has Reply 21]
[Date    ] Wed 13 Apr 94 23:01
[Subject ] Re: Max'sBBS

 Benchie's running three BBS's BUT they all share the same files and paths.
Try that on an ibm or mac and watch the snails pass you by... Only on a Amiga!

[From    ] Soren Goodman                    [REC'D] [MSG 21 OF 49]
[To      ] Dirk Rokicki                     [Reply To 20]  [Has Reply 22]
[Date    ] Thu 14 Apr 94 21:27
[Subject ] Re: Max'sBBS

well, i remember him saying that, and actually, if you call the 9600 line it
says 'this is the 9600 line' and if you call the 14.4 line it says 'this is
the 14.4 line'... i read the docs and stuff and it said nothing about multiple
lines, that's why i didn't think benchie was using it, cause he said it didn't
support multiple lines, then he got that idea...could ask him what he did
actually...

[From    ] Dirk Rokicki                     [REC'D] [MSG 22 OF 49]
[To      ] Soren Goodman                    [Reply To 21]  [Has Reply 23]
[Date    ] Fri 15 Apr 94 13:37
[Subject ] Re: Max'sBBS

Actualy you are right, but it did used to say 1200-2400 despite what line you
called. That has been fixed, though. He is running three different progs. 

[From    ] Paul Kienitz                     [REC'D] [MSG 23 OF 49]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 22]  [Has Reply 24]
[Date    ] Sat 16 Apr 94  0:34
[Subject ] Re: Max'sBBS

>      Hey, speaking of which... Have you seen that net goodie for Amigas
where
> ya hook the connectors to the last floppy on each machine?
 
What?  Sort of a ParNet using the external floppy connectors?  Now that would
be cool, if it's cheap.  Need to use them parallel ports for other things. 
Can it link more than two Amigas?  Can it hold up if one of them reboots?

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 24 OF 49]
[To      ] Paul Kienitz                     [Reply To 23]  [Has Reply 25]
[Date    ] Sat 16 Apr 94 16:24
[Subject ] Floppy net

     It can hook up more than two Amigas according to what I have heard.
Really nice being able to share devices. Dunno what happens if one reboots or
crashes. Might be just a simple auto reset to synch up again.
          Coz

[From    ] Mike Austin                      [REC'D] [MSG 25 OF 49]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 24]  [Has Reply 26]
[Date    ] Sun 17 Apr 94 15:51
[Subject ] Re: Floppy net

In a message dated Sat 16 Apr 94 16:24, Bob Cosby wrote:

 BC>      It can hook up more than two Amigas according to what I have
 BC> heard. Really nice being able to share devices. Dunno what happens if
 BC> one reboots or crashes. Might be just a simple auto reset to synch up
 BC> again.
 BC>           Coz

They have a review of that product in the new MicroTimes.  It says that you
could make a script to have them sync back...not too hard.  It also said he
got about 40kbps transfer rate.  Not bad...a little slower than parnet.


                                 cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 26 OF 49]
[To      ] Mike Austin                      [Reply To 25]  [Has Reply 27]
[Date    ] Sun 17 Apr 94 18:21
[Subject ] Re: Floppy net

     Hehhehheh... Not exactly a speed demon, but I wouldn't expect speed out
of a floppy chain anyway...say...What about a SCSI net device? ZOOOOOM! I
think I've seen such a puppy for PC systems.
          Coz

[From    ] Mike Austin                      [REC'D] [MSG 27 OF 49]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 26]  [Has Reply 28]
[Date    ] Tue 19 Apr 94 15:42
[Subject ] Re: Floppy net

In a message dated Sun 17 Apr 94 18:21, Bob Cosby wrote:

 BC>      Hehhehheh... Not exactly a speed demon, but I wouldn't expect
 BC> speed out of a floppy chain anyway...say...What about a SCSI net
 BC> device? ZOOOOOM! I think I've seen such a puppy for PC systems.
 BC>           Coz

You could use it for loading programs, saving data, etc, but I would not even
THINK about compiling a remote file.  Compiling for the host would be fine
though.


                                 cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] Paul Kienitz                     [REC'D] [MSG 28 OF 49]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 27]  [Has Reply 29]
[Date    ] Sat 23 Apr 94 11:38
[Subject ] Re: Floppy net

So what's the NAME of this floppy-port-net product, and how much?

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 29 OF 49]
[To      ] Paul Kienitz                     [Reply To 28]  [Has Reply 30]
[Date    ] Sun 24 Apr 94 15:52
[Subject ] Re: Floppy net

     I'll have to look it up. It was not an advert but a product announcement
in either Amazing or Amiga World in one of the recent issues &ltlike April or
February&gt.
          Coz

[From    ] Paul Tibbals                     [REC'D] [MSG 30 OF 49]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 29]  
[Date    ] Sat 30 Apr 94 22:27
[Subject ] re:scsinet

Coz,
There have been at least one or two that would do this.  As I recall, teh IVS
Trumpcard series allowed a SCSInet arrangement.   There were a couple of
others listed in the AC's Guide that were some sort of serial animals, too.  
 
PaulT

[From    ] Brian Finley                     [MSG 31 OF 49]
[To      ] All                              
[Date    ] Tue  3 May 94 18:22
[Subject ] FDPro2 and Thrustmaster

 * This message forwarded from area 2, Amiga Help Requests
 * Original message dated Sat 30 Apr 94  8:48, from Brian Finley 

OK, I've got myself a Thrustmaster FCS Joystick that I use on my clone at
"work".  I recently saw Fighter Duel Pro 2 supports it directly.  However, I'm
not quite sure if it's possibe.  I figured an analog adaptor would be
necessary, but the only one I've seen (from DigiPrint Inc) says the
Thrustmaster is wired differently then "normal" IBM analog joysticks, and is
therefore incompatible with the analog interface.  So what is needed?  Is
there a special Thrustmaster interface?  If anyone has a phone number, or
better yet a FAX number for Jeager Software, I'll give em a call and find out!
If FDPro2 is truly usable with the Thrustmaster, then I wanna buy it.  If not,
then I can wait...

[From    ] Glen Kohler                      [MSG 32 OF 49]
[To      ] Jay Miner                        
[Date    ] Wed 18 May 94 16:08
[Subject ] Hello & Thanks

Today I chanced to learn of this BBS through the kind recommendation of Paul
Kienitz as I asked him about his v. nice off-line reader, Qwik-Blue.  I'm glad
to learn othis Amiga res.  Thanks for creating & maintaining it.

Ciao-- Glen

[From    ] Joe Carp                         [MSG 33 OF 49]
[To      ] Sysop                            
[Date    ] Sun 12 Jun 94 14:47
[Subject ] BBS problems

Hello...

Noticing the BBS has been having problems, I see we can now enter messages
once again now that there is a little more hard drive room for them.  But,
while ythe drives were full, the user stats andf directories got messed up.
I used to be a CoSysop to a DLG board, and can suggest dropping to DOS and
issuing the FIXUSERS command as that will rebuild the user data.  Then,
everything should be fine and dandy.

Until then, maybe the users can ease off on uploading so much or problems like
this will return.

   -Joe

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 34 OF 49]
[To      ] Gary Chow                        [Has Reply 37]
[Date    ] Sat 18 Jun 94  9:55
[Subject ] Sharpen That Axe

  Hey, dude, nice yakkin' with ya the other day.  I remembered later what
you said about how hard it is, trying to decide which files to delete to
clear up some hard drive space, and since I'm familiar with most of them, I
thought I'd lend a hand.  I made a capture buffer of all the files and then
skimmed through them, disregarding anything under 100k.

Notes:

> Following will be a list of all the files I'd delete if it were my board.
I've put my comments under the file descriptions.  For what it's worth,
many of these I'd delete regardless of HD space.

> My comments are purely subjective.  If some member has an objection, they
should direct it to you guys, not me.  

> When I was back in the 100-200 meg days, I had certain rules I stuck to,
with occasional exceptions.  Like, no MODs over 150k, game demos over 300k,
only the best Euro thingies, whatever.  I someone uploads something that's
too big, just say `thanks', and instruct him as to the various size limits.
But always include the "unless it's incredibly fantastic!" qualifier. :)

> As an example, I'd throw away ten anims to get the 1.8 meg MobiCogs on 
the board.  Some things you just HAVE to have.

> You also have to be somewhat practical, like, just how many 300k screen-
blankers do we really eed?  And some programs are buggy, though popular,
such as Terminus and SuperDark.  But because they're popular, people will
keep uploading them over and over again, so with some biggies, you just say
`screw it' and leave them on.


  Okay, here's part 1 of the list.  I could have just compressed the thing,
but I figured these are your members' files, not mine, so they should have
a say in the matter.  I don't know if the message base editor has a 99-line
limit r not, so I'll split this file into three parts.  I expect you'll
capture buff it for reference.  Oh, one last note: if a member's file
description has "VERY GOOD", "EXCELLENT" or "BEST" in it, it means nothing.


Files in area [1] - [Utilities]

37   RSYS121.LHA     375k  VERY good system resource monitor!
                           who needs it?
73   PICUPV18.LHA    137k  LATEST UPDATE SOFTWARE FOR THE PICASSO II BOARD
                           three cheap Euro viewers, unnecessary
79   ONTHEBALL.LHA   124k  This is a Personnal Information Manager Demo
                           not that great
80   KINGFISH850     481k  Data to King fisher!  Disks 1-850.
81   KINGFISHER140.  122k  Kinfisher 1.4. SOme minor bug fixes!
                           screw it, the abbreviated list is better
89   MIDNIGHT007.LH  120k  Screen saver, shareware. Random disabled & has 
                           wow, another fancy screen-saver


Files in area [2] - [Archive Programs]

10   ZIP201.LHA      130k  Zip compressor, version 2.0.1; compatible with p
                           wrong Zip tool
11   XPK25USR.LHA    215k  Best library based compression system known to m
                           who gives a damn?



Files in area [3] - [Games]

1    PHONECO.LHA     137k  A cool game where you try to build the NET!
                           cool, my ass...it's stupid
9    LASTREF.LHA     381k  The Last Refuge!  A Space Invaders type of game.
                           not worth the size
17   CAMELS.LHA      123k  Remember LlamaTron?  Minter is BACK!
                           toss it out
21   PCHT1292.LHA    111k  Newest cheat sheet for a lot of games (12/92)
                           too old
24   ABD11909.LHA    261k  A new and improved version of Boulder Dash the G
                           dumb game
25   BLASTER.LHA     284k  Blaster!  A neat shoot'em up game like Galaxian.
                           not worth the size
26   BOGGLE.LHA      370k  Demo of a great word game. $3.00 shareware.
                           too big for what it is
30   TLTETRIS.LHA    103k  The Last Tetris!  A cool tetris game.  Excellent
                           lousy version
31   INFOSOLS.LHA    478k  Solutions to several InfoCom Games.
                           who cares?
32   VCHESS.LHA      115k  V2.0 - Chess game with tons of options and struc
                           nobody's playing this with UChess around
36   ACTOFWAR.LHA    341k  Excellent game much like Breach and Laser Squad.
                           too big
38   GF2_GAME.DMS    316k  Shareware version of Thrust or Gravity Wars.  So
                           too big


[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 35 OF 49]
[To      ] Gary Chow                        [Has Reply 38]
[Date    ] Sat 18 Jun 94 10:00
[Subject ] The Axe, Pt II

Part 2:

40   POWERTETRIS.LH  449k  PowerTetris!  Another Tetris clone game.
                           uses joystick, dumb
41   SCORCHEDTANKS.  366k  Scorched tanks is a POM-POM gunners' dream!!  Mu
   &lt- two 41's?            not that great
41   HIREDGUN.DMS    727k  Hired Gun, Fun newplayable game demo from Psygno
                           too big for demo, sorry
44   TETRS13B.LHA    144k  Tetris V1.3b!  Latest release.  An original-like
                           junk
45   DGALAG15.LHA    188k  Deluxe Galaga V1.5!  A great shoot'em up game of
                           just like all the rest
47   RDYRBT94.LHA    383k  Ready Robot '94.  A educational demo disk for yo
                           for very young children...t'hell with it
48   SKIDMARKSDEMO.  272k  Playable demo of a 30 degree angle two player of
                           give it the heave


Files in aea [4] - [Pictures]

7    AMIGALGN.LHA    254k  This is the ad Jim Sacks did for Brilliance (act
8    ASS_GFX.LHA     276k  Some cool pictures from the Assembly '93 in Finl
9    BNRJ.LHA        111k  A JPEG picture of some important people from the
10   ADMITONEHAM.LH  111k  Cool trace of a theatre playing Jurassic Park (l
11   OBLIVION.LHA    637k  A set of three pictures done with LihtWave 3.0 
12   KILSTMPY.GIF    166k  An interesting ray-traced (that's right) pic sho
13   WBPATS.LHA      561k  Here are over 100 16 color patterns you can use 
14   VHLNART.LHA     215k  A group of seven different pictures by Vahlenkam
18   MOREPICT.LHA    105k  Sixteen pictures drawn by Jorden Grahn.
25   VIEWPOIN.LHA    521k  A collection of (very) original art by Jody Andr
28   POOLRACH.LHA    371k  A picture of Rachel the Raccoon in the swimming 
29   RACHMASC.LHA    203k A picture of Rachel the Raccoon as a mascot for 
31   SEASHORE.GIF    178k  A 640x480x256 color pic of a pretty gal on a bea
32   MERCEDES.JPG    114k  24 bit JPEG of a ray-traced model Mercedes (old 
38   REIKO.GIF       198k  Picture off albulm cover of Beautiful Japane.
39   UYCARD.GIF      115k  Really cutte pic of Lum hugging herself in a pur
70   GATHPICS.LHA   1897k  35 different pictures from the Gathering '94 in 

The big Rachel Raccoon files answer the primal question, "How do you please
everybody?"  The artist's answer is to include an 8-color, 16-color, 32- 
color, HAM pic....AND AGA version!  Yep, no doubt, that'll do it!  Save the
HAM, toss the rest.  And gad, if you get rid of nothing else, toss that
worthless GathPics files on the scrap heap.  I'm sure it would have a lot
of meaning...if you happened to be in Finland that night!! :)


Files in area [5] - [Music]

Pick a limit and stick to it, unless it's just fantastically incredible.


Files in area [6] - [Applications]

15   DIGILLUSION.LH  243k  This is an EXCELLENT graphics processor package.
                           oh, bullshit
16   F810-AMIGA_E.L  201k  This was taken from the docs:
                           clarify the description or toss it


Files in area [7] - [Demonstration Programs]

1    CAPDEMO.LHA     270k  Combat Air Patrol game demo.  Good graphics.
                           kinda hokey  
3    HELMDEMO.LHA    389k  Earlier demo of an awsome Object Oriented `Multi
                           kiss it good-bye


Files in area [8] - [Text/News]
34   ACHEAT.LZH      172k  PostcardMan-Game Cheats for the Amiga.  Latest r
                           an LZH file is a `latest release'??
38   MODLIST4.LHA    139k  A list of over 1500 MODs with ratings.
                           now just HOW can you "rate" music? 
43   FTPGUIDE.LHA    302k  An excellent FTP guide for all user levels in Am
                           not very good, BigDummy is much better


Files in area [9] - [Workbench 2.0+]  &lt-  now that most of the users are   
                                          2.x, shouldn't this be "1.3"?  ;)
28   BLTZBLNK101.LH  330k  BlitzBlank v1.01. A screenblanker for 2.0.
                           screen-blankers must be easy to write


Files in area [10] - [TeliComm]  &lt- that's "Telecomm", silly

8    MAGICALL.LHA    285k  Magicall is a very nice term program from Europe
                           too weird
9    BBBBS56.LHA     262k  Latest version of Arexx controlled BBS using Bau
                           nobody in his right mind would use this
10   CHAT&SEND.LHA   169k  Have you ever tried to telecommunicate directly 
                           doesn't work, get SerServer
16   TERM3303.LHA    220k  Term 3.3 '030 version.  Adds dial menu (like NCo
17   TERM33CM.LHA    408k  Term 3.3 68000 version.  Adds dial menu (like NC
                           old version
33   THOR121U.LHA    187k  Update for Thor 1.2, you need to have Thor 1.2 t
                           dumb name, throw it away, whatever it is
35   AFAXDEMO1_34.L  347k  A demonstraton program of AmigaFax
                           GPFax is much better


[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 36 OF 49]
[To      ] Gary Chow                        [Has Reply 40]
[Date    ] Sat 18 Jun 94 10:03
[Subject ] The Axe, Pt III


Part 3:

Files in area [14] - [Sound Samples]

7    LOGSONG.LHA     211k  The Log Song from the Ren & Stimpy Show.
                           dumb
21   CALIBRA.LHA     194k  Funky New Age jazzy MOD file. Professional sound
                           if this is IFF, toss it
22   FLIES.LHA       402k  Digitized sound of flies (insects).
                           great, just what we needed


Files in area [15] - [Anims and EuroDemos]   &lt- you put these together??

2    JUGGETT3.LZH    280k  Juggette 3.  A cute animation of the Juggeler gr
                           really bad
8    RAC.LHA         334k  A collection of short cartoon animations.
                           um, thanks anyway
13   TEKDEATH.DMS    383k  Technological Death by Mad Elks - high on flash 
                           it's okay, but toss it
15   CREATUR1.LHA    522k  An excellent animatio of an alien creature jump
16   CREATUR2.LHA    495k  An excellent animation of an alien creature jump
                           sorry, too big
18   ASS_INT.LHA     274k  Some 40k intros from the Assembly '93 in Finland
                           I saved two from the entire package
20   HERMSUKI.LHA    202k  Herman vs. Suki!  A cute animation of a fish vs.
                           ridiculous
22   BIGSNEEZ.LHA    103k  The Big Sneeze!  A cute animation of a sneezing 
                           one of Schwartz's poorest
24   PLANETE1.LHA    319k  A Euro Disk Magazine by MegaWatts.  Excellent gr
                           ancient
25   AMCSLIDE.DMS    734k  Amiga Music Club SlideShow disk.  Excellent grap
                           nobody downloads these things
26   INSANERD.DMS    280k  A cool Euro Demo.  Excellent graphics and music.
                           toss it
28   LOUSWTHR.LHA    258k  Lousy Weather!  A cute and surprising animation.
                           borders on the inane
30   NOTAGAIN.DMS    680k  Not AGAin!  A cool Euro Demo.  Excellent graphic
                           too big
39   SPCPATRL.LHA    173k  Excellent animation of a group of spaceships on 
                           not that great
40   CULTURE.LHA     318k  Culture by Spasm.  Excellent Euro Demo.  Great g
                           it's outta heah
45   KEFRDANE.DMS    561k  D.A.N.E. by Kefrens.  A cool Euro Demo.  Excelle
                           not one of Kefrens' better ones
50   MCTWILIG.LHA    324k  Twilight! by MC.  A cool Euro Intro.  Neat starf
                           heave it
53   DSR-EXIL.DMS    342k  Exile!  A cool Euro Demo.  Excellent graphics an
                           heave it
59   PHA3DEM1.DMS    355k  A cool Euro Demo by Phase 3.  Excellent graphics
60   PHA3DEM2.DMS    124k  A cool Euro Demo by Phase 3.  Ecellent graphics
                           too big, sorry
71   TRSI-BOR.LHA    270k  A cool Euro Demo by TRSI.  Excellent graphics an
                           out the window
75   BEA&BUTT.LHA    194k  An animation of Beavis & Butthead listening to s
                           typically poor taste
77   CRASH.LHA       382k  A cool ray-trace animation of a sports car falli
                          *I give it a C, heave it

* two months ago I would have given this a C+ and said `keep it'.  After
MobiCogs arrived, my entire grading system went down half a notch.  I'll
have Eugene upload it after you get some space cleared, but that's the only
mega-anim I'd recommend offhand.  


Files in area [18] - [View Play Read]      &lt-  this took a lot of guts
3    OCTAMED.LHA     374k  OctaMED V1.00!  Excellent 8 channel music editor
                           if this is really version 1.00, ouch!

                                      *

  Well, there it is.  Pretty gruesome, eh?  I didn't count up the megs, but
that should hold you for a while.  Every single one of those is readily
available on other PD boards or the 'net, so I wouldn't deem any of them
particularly "valuable" in itself.  If any of them are original works by
board members, my apologies, and definitely leave them on.  &ltwink>

  To everybody else:  Remember, DON'T hit R)eply at the end of this message
if you have any feedback!  Leave a message, PD or private, to Gary.  If you
think something on the above list deserves a second chance, speak up!

  Hope that helps, Gary.  Catch ya later!

  - Bencharoo


[From    ] Paul Kienitz                     [REC'D] [MSG 37 OF 49]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 34]  [Has Reply 45]
[Date    ] Sat 18 Jun 94 10:15
[Subject ] Re: Sharpen That Axe

A lot of those axe suggestions seem to be based on personal taste instead of
objective valuelessness.

And what on Earth do you mean by saying Zip 2.0.1 is the "wrong Zip tool"? 
The only other I know of is gzip, which I suspect is to a large extent the 
SAME program, and has less support for the Amiga port.  PKAZip is worthless...

[From    ] Paul Kienitz                     [REC'D] [MSG 38 OF 49]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 35]  [Has Reply 39]
[Date    ] Sat 18 Jun 94 10:22
[Subject ] Re: The Axe, Pt II

> 8    MAGICALL.LHA    285k  Magicall is a very nice term program from Europe
>                            too weird
 
More personal taste.  Anyway, this is rumored to be a pirated program.
 
> 33   THOR121U.LHA    187k  Update for Thor 1.2, you need to have Thor 1.2 t
>                            dumb name, throw it away, whatever it is
 
If you don't understand it and it has a dumb name, it must be worthless?

Actually I have some interest in this being deleted, because it's a direct
competitor to my own shareware product, Q-Blue.  It's the one competitor that
actually has some advantages over my program.  Which is precisely why anyone
OTHER than me ought to keep it around.

[From    ] Soren Goodman                    [REC'D] [MSG 39 OF 49]
[To      ] Paul Kienitz                     [Reply To 38]  [Has Reply 41]
[Date    ] Sat 18 Jun 94 16:16
[Subject ] Re: The Axe, Pt II

> 33   THOR121U.LHA    187k  Update for Thor 1.2, you need to have Thor 1.2 t
>                            dumb name, throw it away, whatever it is

 PK> If you don't understand it and it has a dumb name, it must be
 PK> worthless?

 PK> Actually I have some interest in this being deleted, because it's a
 PK> direct competitor to my own shareware product, Q-Blue.  It's the one
 PK> competitor that actually has some advantages over my program.  Which
 PK> is precisely why anyone OTHER than me ought to keep it around.

I downloaded it but never got it to work...it's confusing..

[From    ] Bob Cosby                        [REC'D] [MSG 40 OF 49]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 36]  [Has Reply 46]
[Date    ] Sat 18 Jun 94 21:00
[Subject ] Re: The Axe, Pt III

     Hey, *I* uploaded Calibra! What do ya mean "If it's IFF, toss it"??? I
don't get it? What's IFF have to do with a MOD?
          Coz

[From    ] Paul Kienitz                     [REC'D] [MSG 41 OF 49]
[To      ] Soren Goodman                    [Reply To 39]  [Has Reply 43]
[Date    ] Sat 18 Jun 94 23:08
[Subject ] Re: The Axe, Pt II

> I downloaded it but never got it to work...it's confusing..
 
Well, Q-Blue is MUCH easier to set up and use.  :)

[From    ] Mike Austin                      [MSG 42 OF 49]
[To      ] Benchmaster                      [Has Reply 44]
[Date    ] Sun 19 Jun 94 15:41
[Subject ] Now who's offending?

   Talk about me ridiculing one person...you just flamed about everybody who
uploads!  Even I don't like some programs, but I don't delete them... If they
are professional and the arechive is ok, then they stay.  There are some that
should go though...but I can't download all of them to check them out.

I did delete some of the older ones that you mentioned though, and I usually
delete all the op 3 animations...

                                 cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

[From    ] John Jeffery                     [REC'D] [MSG 43 OF 49]
[To      ] Paul Kienitz                     [Reply To 41]  
[Date    ] Sun 19 Jun 94 21:55
[Subject ] Re: The Axe, Pt II

 I tried to get Thor to work but it's too complex... Dump it! 
 And Dump the upgrade to it too.

[From    ] John Jeffery                     [REC'D] [MSG 44 OF 49]
[To      ] Mike Austin                      [Reply To 42]  [Has Reply 47]
[Date    ] Sun 19 Jun 94 22:03
[Subject ] Re: Now who's offending?

 I don't think Benchie did this to flame, ridicule or upset anyone. This board
has the problem of not having enough storage space and he was just making
suggestions to what can be hacked. Through out the message he stated if you
don't agree with him on a certain program say so but this list is what he
feels can be hacked without degrading the file base.
 Please don't turn this into something it's not.

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 45 OF 49]
[To      ] Paul Kienitz                     [Reply To 37]  [Has Reply 48]
[Date    ] Mon 20 Jun 94  9:44
[Subject ] Re: Sharpen That Axe

(oh, brother...here we go.  I KNEW I should have uploaded this as a private
file to Gary!)

Well, silly, of COURSE many of those suggestions were based on personal taste!
I just don't PERSONALLY think that some of those 300k-400k Euro thingies make
the grade, and I've seen a lot of them.  Ditto a bunch of that other stuff.  I
SAID my comments were "purely subjective", how much clearer can I be?  This
isn't a case of "toss out the bad stuff", this is a case of "free up space on
the hard drive", and at that point, the rules change somewhat, as I also tried
to explain.  Big 700k demo of some latest rave multimedia format?  It's outta
heah.  Outstanding collection of Euro tunes combined with cool graphics,
two-disk set, good-bye.

As far as your Zip comment goes, that should be directed to Gary, just a
"please don't toss out that Zip 2.0.1" will do.  I have eight Zip tools on my
board and I stand by my statement.

Apart from all THAT....hi!  Long time, no yak with!  Hope things are well with
you, I was sorry to lose you when I moved from M.V., your message base input
was always razor-sharp.  

[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 46 OF 49]
[To      ] Bob Cosby                        [Reply To 40]  
[Date    ] Mon 20 Jun 94 10:01
[Subject ] Re: The Axe, Pt III

From the file description, it sounds like a "MOD" (what we used to call a
"song") in IFF soundfile format.  That's okay for sound bites, but kind of
silly for a full piece of music, that's all.


[From    ] The Benchmaster                  [REC'D] [MSG 47 OF 49]
[To      ] Mike Austin                      [Reply To 44]  [Has Reply 49]
[Date    ] Mon 20 Jun 94 10:07
[Subject ] The Axe (apparently) Cuts Deep

Heh, in the four hours it took me to do this project, the word "flames" never
came to mind.  Remember, I've been a member of this board a long time, so
these files are "mine" as well as anybody else's.  The fact that a ton of them
came from my board, probably hand-compressed by me, is (apparantly)
irrelevant.  I'm a "testing SysOp", remember, so I have actually seen or used
the vast majority of these suggestions for deletion...otherwise I never would
have attempted it.  

Another word I did not consider while doing all this was "professional", but
if you'd like to use that criteria, then yes, my statement would be "Gary,
toss these out, none of them are professional enough".  Up to, and especially
including, MagicTerm!  :)

[From    ] Paul Kienitz                     [MSG 48 OF 49]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 45]  
[Date    ] Mon 20 Jun 94 20:46
[Subject ] Re: Sharpen That Axe

> As far as your Zip comment goes, that should be directed to Gary, just a
> "please don't toss out that Zip 2.0.1" will do.  I have eight Zip tools on
my
> board and I stand by my statement.
 
And I still see no sense in it, so I wish you'd clarify.  As someone actively
working on maintaining the Amiga Zip and UnZip utilities, this is an issue
that concerns me.

I just wrote two assembly functions for UnZip 5.1 (which goes with Zip 2.0.1)
and sped it up considerably.  I hope they'll be in the next release.

[From    ] Mike Austin                      [MSG 49 OF 49]
[To      ] The Benchmaster                  [Reply To 47]  
[Date    ] Wed 22 Jun 94  0:06
[Subject ] Re: The Axe (apparently) Cuts Deep

   Hey, this is fun!  But anyway... it's just if I wrote a program or
generated a graphic, I would get offended if you commented it as "trash it".
#B^)  Just say "Lots of these already", or "Too large".  The smallest common
denominator in English is professional English, one that everybody will
understand.  Uhhh... hey, I'm babling!


                                 cout << "cman@netcom.com" << endl;

(E,R,O,A,S,P,N,L,F,<,=,!,I,J,.,-,U,^,Q,G,H,?,RET)

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